Two full size snooker tables for sale Derbyshire / Staffordshire area

We have two full size snooker tables for sale , I set these tables up and re-covered them only a few months ago for a select Private members club venture
Sadly due to lack of interest and USE !
They are up for sale , offers to Geoff at GCL Billiards please
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The first table is a Riley Regis turned leg
The second table is Riley square leg type , both table’s have new nets and leathers fitted also new Strachan 6811 tournament cloth last year and hardly used .
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The tables where lovingly looked after so you will be getting well cared for tables
they come complete with balls scoreboard and all tackle .
modern lighting is also available but at extra cost .
Offers to c.large@btinternet.com  , you can view and try out these tables , they are coming down after the third week of March .
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this was only last year when we put the table’s in
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we have a JCB type  telehandler available on site  to get the tables downstairs and loaded onto any van
Both table are owned by a Friend of mine so any offers I will put forward to him , it would be nice and convenient to have them delivered on the same day of take down if possible .
or loaded onto your own transport ?
GCL billiards can quote for this , the table sale does not include dismantle delivery or setup , you can talk to the owner about costs for dismantle .
I will put any interested people directly in touch with the seller .

Wanted Genuine Riley Aristocrat Steel cushioned Pro table

I get enquiries now and again for these Riley Aristocrat Steel cushioned tables
If you have one of these tables for sale then place it on GCL billiards web site , we do not charge anything to, list and if we find you a buyer we charge just £25 admin fee
Hopefully GCL billiards get the work from the buyer to dismantle and transport and then reassemble , this is what we are really about , we do not buy or sell tables
We prefer to advertise for clients wishing to sell knowing that our web site gets plenty of hits from people looking to buy
it is the perfect approach to buying and selling tables  , we are a snooker / billiards firm and this is where people look for tables , and because we put buyer and seller together
There is no middle men fees or commissions to pay , just the £25 admin fee which we would have earned passing on telephone and email number contacts  for time spent on PC putting the photo’s and advert up on the site .
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For Sale Full size snooker table Karnehm & Hillman Buckingham ….very nice table @ just £850 in sussex

We have a Client who wishes to sell their Fathers full size Karnehm and Hillman Buckingham model snooker table
From the photo’s the woodwork looks in excellent order , this table was installed new in the 1980s for £4500 .
My client knows the current market for full size snooker table and has therefore set a low price of £850 as the asking price.
With the table you get the dust cover and all the rests and cues triangle and balls , everything you need to play the game including the Lighting Shade and scoreboard  .
Patricia pape K&H other side shot
The actual table that is for sale I have advised that most of the accessories are to be included with the table .
However the Dowsing Billiards Iron is to be sold separately  at £75 , this is the normal price on Ebay that these irons sell for .
if anyone requires the the iron and the table then the iron can go for £50 with the table .
this is very normal for table sales as second hand Billiards Irons are in demand .
As you can see this table has only had private home use from new , it is not one of your worn out Working men’s clubs tables .
Patricia Pape K&Hillman buckingham sussex
Another view of the table from the other side angle , Karnehm and Hillman tables are in my opinion , one of the best modern tables to buy
The slates where hand floated and the wood used was Brazilian Mahogany , This table is located in Sussex in the BN25 post code area .
Patricia Pape snooker iron K&H
the Dowsing none thermostat iron and lead could be included or sold separately ,
you do not normally get these with table sales as they were an expensive option when new and still one second hand .
We always advise to sell iron’s separately as there is a demand for these from pool table owners as well as Snooker table owners
but if you are buying the snooker table then a discount price of just £50 extra will secure this iron for you .
I have to be fair with my information to the seller as well as the buyer so if I say the iron is in demand, I inform the seller as well as the buyer  , GCL Billiards do not own any table advertised on our web site
We like to keep to maintenance and logistics of moving tables rather than get involved in buying and selling snooker tables.
Rear view of van Igorvan igor loaded inside cargo
We are just too busy installing and general maintenance like re-covering and re-rubbering , new nets and leathers fitted type of work to get involved with tables sales
So we like to offer our expert 40 years experience as a Billiards fitter , and we would be delighted to quote for the pickup and transport of this table and erected in your Home .
Contact Geoff at c.large@btinternet.com or phone 07753466064 for more detail on this table , we will put you in direct touch with the seller ( Patricia ) you can then arrange any sale with her direct
if you like our quote for collecting this table and transporting it and then erecting in your home then we can set a date to carry out this work .

Full size snooker table Riley Viceroy set up in Machynlleth in Wales for Emyr

I have Just been over to Wales for two days to install a Very nice condition Riley Viceroy circa 1920/30
Emyr contacted me some months ago looking for a table , he was not ready as the room was not built so advised to look for one nearer room completion
Emyr had been reading my Blog input on this web site and after reading many descriptions on different tables and build quality he had settled on finding a Riley Viceroy.
Emyr got back to me , and said he had found a very nice Riley Viceroy in Wolverhampton and he had collected it with a Friend in a luton Van and stored it at home as the room was nearing completion.
Well the time had come to arrange to install the table .
Geoff wales frame up on square slate pads
Emyr is 6ft 2inch the same as myself and suffers from a back problem , so he had a friend make some square slate stone pads  .
he had these to lift the table around 1.5 inch , thus giving him a better posture for his back when leaning over the table.
above in the photo you can see these slate pads under each leg .
Geoff wales first slate on frame
First slate on and it got wet from wheeling it from the garage to the room
Geoff Wales slate aligning on frame
aligning the slate , we have to get the middle slate on dead centre with even overhang and dowel pin the next slates either side into the middle slate
you can if you look close in the gaps see the Brass dowel that locate into a brass rebated hole in the adjoining slate
once three have been pinned together we check again that the slate is parallel with even over hang each side before fixing the end slates into position
We wax the top of the frame with candle wax , this is so that the slate sections slide onto  and along the frame with ease  .
Geoff Wales checking level
the next stage we check the level , adjusting by jacking up the frame and sliding slate packings under the legs to adjust the level ,
these packers are called toe pieces and come in varying thicknesses .
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the toe pieces , different thickness to adjust level
Geoff wales level showing level
We adjust until the level shows 100% all around the table side to side  and end to end .
we use a 12 inch Rabone & Chesterman vintage Engineers level , people often ask why such a small level ?
Because it is more accurate to finding low spots between each slate joint , where a long level would span any faulty levels  .
These engineering levels have been used in the Billiard table industry for many years for accurate leveling of Billiard / snooker tables
Geoff Wales filling hole with car body filler
years ago the Billiards fitter would have used Plaster of Paris to blend in any slate joints .
today we use soft sand car body filler , above you can see we apply with 2 inch scraper , I am filling a large chip out of the slate which is on the edge of the slate
and we also skim along the entire length of every slate joint then lightly sand in for a perfect slate bed ready for bed cloth fitting  .
Geoff Wales sanding joint filler
A light sanding all over and along the joints to make sure of no grit or lumps on the slate bed
if you do not do this you may find when you iron a table that the iron jumps on impact with a lump under the cloth
we lightly sand all over the slate and then wipe and vac the dust and grit off the slate bed .
Geoff wales bed cloth sprinkle tacks and jack
The bed cloth laid on and tacks sprinkled around ready for Stretching on of the bed cloth
this table had recently been re-rubbered and re-covered with new nets and leathers also being revamped
my client paid a good medium price for the table and if we take into account what had been renovated on the table shortly before he got it .
then he paid very little for it indeed . in fact you could say the table owes him nothing .
Even the scoreboard on the wall which antique dealers go nuts for is worth around £400 to £500 on the retail market .
where many Antique Dealers will not touch a full sizes snooker table because of all the hassle of lifting and transporting  ,
but they do go after the old accessories such as old scoreboards and rotating cue racks .
Geoff Wales string keeping baulk line straight
because the table bed cloth had been fitted before and was not brand new .
I positioned string in centre and also 31 inch from end of baulk end to guide me in getting the old Baulk line almost straight
Above Fitting the bed cloth
Geoff Wales Tacking FEB2016
Some billiard fitters use a magnetic tack hammer , I prefer to use a Stanley 8 oz pin hammer
I have used this hammer for 40 years and it is very hard for me to try anything else .
you get used to the tool you use most often , and I doubt that I will ever use a magnetic one
I did try one once but gave up after about the 5th tack , the balance and feel was not there so why change !
Geoff Wales finished pose with cue
Emyr got me to pose for this last Photo , many of my clients are shocked to find that I do not play the game of snooker or Pool
I just do not have any interest in playing the game , I am more interested in the history of tables and old furniture in general.
don’t get me wrong though I do know how to put side and  back screw and forward roll onto a ball and also  get to know the speed of table within the first few shots
I get many players complaining of slow tables and fast tables some like slow some like fast  , a good player can adjust his or her game to play on any speed of cloth .
as for new rubber if fitted and pockets cut correct they will accept balls at speed , and do not forget brand new rubber requires bruising in for a month or so of regular play before they start to rebound faster .
Emyr is going to take a few more photo’s of the table when the room is a bit more tidy all the photo’s you see where taken by Emyr who is a Photographer and has something to do with the very rare Ospreys that are breeding in Wales  , He has even Written a book about the Osprey in Wales .
Ospreys book Emyr Evans

 

 

Full size Karnehm and Hillman Buckingham table for sale in France near Rennes … reduced to 1500 euros after taking GCL billiards advice

We have a client in france who is looking to sell their very nice tulip carved leg Buckingham model Karnehm and Hillman snooker table
In France tables will fetch an higher premium because demand outstrips supply of tables in france that are for sale
this one is advertised at 2000 Euro’s ( now 1500 euros) as it is before collection and transporting and installing again , but there  maybe a little negotiation leeway on price if discussed with owner . ( reduced to 1500 euros after GCL billiards advised it’s worth )  1500 euros = £1150.97 at time of advert , and it would cost more than this to transport one from the UK .
Ideally someone in the normandy area an Ex pat Brit is the ideal people to sell to , they may have an outside barn or large house they can fit this into .
a UK based Billiards fitter would find it easy to travel to using the St Malo port as entry which is not too far from this tables location

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This is the Actual table that is for sale in France , anyone in France Who is looking to buy a table but is put off because of transporting and freight costs from the UK then look at this table .

Karehm buckingham ron leg shot
this is a photo of the leg shape but not the actual table for sale ,
taken from a library photo on my web site just to show a close up of the carved leg that you will be getting on this table
10ft Karnehm and hillman tulip full table
a 10ft version another library photo to show the leg design
Buckingham K&H
another library photo showing what the table will look like when fully assembled
if you are interest in this table in the top photo then contact by email and just inform them you spotted the table for sale on GCL Billiards web site

ask for Laurence Dealtry     http://www.la-rouillardais.co.uk/ web site for the owners B&B

ldealtry@club-internet.fr        email

tel France + 33 (0) 243023516     phone number

 

 

Re -rubber and Re-cover of full size snooker table Lincoln , another table put right what a rough fitter has previously done .

I have just completed a re-rubber and re-cover of a full size snooker table above  Lincoln on the wragby road
I installed this table a couple of years ago and came across a problem of slates not being the correct ones for the table which we solved by plugging and redrilling of cushions to fit
this table was already at our clients house and GCL billiards only fitted the table we did not supply it
Having said that the slates are of very good quality being from a burroughs and watts table while the rest of the table frame and cushions where from an Orme & Sons table
having had the problems of finding the wrong slates I was bracing myself as to the condition and workmanship of the rubber under the cloth which I did not see 2 years ago as the cushions had been re-covered by the firm who delivered it , and this is what I found !
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very rough cut and shoddy work on the forming of the angles to the pocket openings.
My client wanted tighter pockets as these where cut like buckets and all odd angles
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mick corner cutt and rasp sanded undercut
I did not take a photo of the rubber when I had finished but believe me they where like these photo’s when I had re-rubbered the clients cushions
smooth cutting and rasping and sanding of the undercut
flat nose of rubber direct from front edge to rear of pocket
lincs jan 2016 sub standard cloth
my client had a bit of rough deal from the firm who supplied the table to him
not only did they send the wrong slates , but they also did not rectify the bad cut rubber
and they fitted sub standard cloth to the cushions as you can see above the transfer has substandard through it
this is how the cloth manufacturer sells it’s seconds .
WBL new cloth 6811 gold tournament 30 oz
this is what first grade Strachan 6811 tournament looks like
no Substandard going at a right angle through the transfer and the weight shows 30 oz
lincs re -rub re- cov level jan 2016
my clients table is now ready for some serious match play
having had a full re-rubber and reshaping of some of the block undercut
The pockets are now set at template size to B&SCC templates
Brand new first grade Strachan 6811 tournament cloth has been fitted and the level checked
my Client is a keen snooker player , He and his Partner have a very charming cottage and from the front of the house no one would even suspect they have a full size snooker table
The room is very large , an extension that along with others  I have worked have had their fare share of planning objections
Lucky for snooker enthusiasts a way can be found to build and get plans passed.
I am sure my client will enjoy his snooker so much better now the problems have been solved with the pocket openings and cushion bounce .
I have just corrected another table just like this from a bad re-rubber have a look at my other postings on my Web Blog to see that report .
Re-rubber is one of my special interests , I strive to be a perfectionist in forming a smooth cut to the pocket openings as can be seen in my demonstration photo’s and work reports on tables I have completed a re-rubber on .
I often advise on tables and workmanship on the Snooker forum and on that forum ,my pricing was questioned , not by a past client but just by a person who like to question prices
My price structure for work is fixed on what other top Firms and fitters are charging , on a re-cover for example I am around £30 lower priced than the top firms , but £30 higher priced than a speed fitter who may do work like on the rubber I took off above .

My mentor Mick Rob  ( now Deceased but formerly of Belvoir billiards )  a Craftsman in the art of Billiards fitting  had a carved oak  sign in his workshop for his clients to read .

“There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are that person’s lawful prey. It’s unwise to pay too much, but it’s worse to pay too little. When you pay too much, you lose a little money — that is all. When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot — it can’t be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.”

John Ruskin

Mick advised me to charge what I was worth and what was fair and to always seek to improve never rest on your laurels  , by that way my work gets better as I get older , I remember that quote of john Ruskin and now use it to show and remind Clients or just people like the person on the snooker forum that I am not overpriced that I have a fair pricing structure , that I use first class materials such as Strachan first grade and Northern Rubber made in the UK  .
any future Billiard fitters working on tables I have re-rubbered and covered will not find rough cut openings pocket sizes all different or bad seconds cloth used or low cost chinese rubber used .
I like to think that all Billard fitters have the same moral stand on workmanship , sadly that is not the case , I come across many who have had rough work carried out on their Billiard Table .

 

8ft Snooker table ………NOW SOLD

NOW SOLD , but we can always find buyers for good 8ft three section 6 legged tables so it you have one for sale contact Geoff to get it advertised on our for sale section .
We find 8ft and 9ft tables are in more demand than a  full size .
this is mainly down to room size that is available at the  Home of Buyers.

 

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Only been listed 24 hours and we have a few enquiring about this one , will not be up for sale long as 6 legged three section bolted cushion 8fts are not often up for sale second hand or even new
most are made low cost with wood screwed cushions 4 legs and thin one piece slate bed . THIS ONE WAS MADE CORRECT . read description below

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We have a client located at Chapel St Leonards near Skegness who has an 8ft snooker table for sale
looking at the photo , I would say it was an allied billiards made table from Birmingham
Those profesional type pocket plates look like the ones they used , they are very similar to BCE extra extra broad bow plates.
you will get a good response from fast shots into these types of pocket plates as they are shaped to deflect the ball downwards much better than standard pocket plates
8ft table skegness chapel johnemery
this is the only photo we have of the table before it was taken down and stored in bubble wrap by Briggs Billiards of sheffield and then taken over to Skegness area from their old home in sheffield.
If you would like a quote for GCL Billiards to collect this table and transport it and then set it back up again using the same bed cloth , then please contact Geoff at GCL Billiards at c.large@btinternet.com or 07753466064
please note this is a proper made 8ft with 6 legs , bolted into slate cushions and three section thicker slate bed table .
some 8ft tables have 4 legs and these sag down in the middle , others have wood screwedon cushions which do not offer a good rebound value from the rubber . also watch out for thin slates one piece can be as thin as half an inch . this table has thick slates and has been properly manufactured .
these bolted into slate cushions will respond as good as a full size snooker table , the pockets will accept balls at speed , this is the ideal table for people who would like a full size snooker table and do not have enough room for one .
interested in this table quote chapel 8ft to Geoff and he will put you in touch with the seller direct .
this is a Private sale in our for sale section direct from the seller with no middle men fees .