For sale Large Brass Snooker / billiard ornate type lighting in form of old gas lamp style but fully electric , very expensive when new from sir Willam Bentley Billiards

These type of lighting where popular in old style Victorian houses with high ceilings
very expensive when bought new , a lower priced one from Christopher wray lighting emporium where just under £1600 , this light was supplied by sir William Bentley billiards and cost over £2000 when new !fancy lighting from sir willam bentley billiards
the photo above is the Light that is for sale ,the other photo’s are just examples of this type of lighting , but they are a much better photo to get the effect of how the light will look above your table .
I am sorry about the quality of the photograph , it was taken by the sellers who used a mobile phone rather than a digital camera .
I can recommend the lighting as I have seen it , it would suit someone with a high Ceiling as stated , but also for someone requiring a more period look to their Billiard / snooker Games room
this light is a Bargain at just £750
It takes 6 bulbs and the shades are made from a pleated cloth in Dark green / Blue ? , this is so much better than those glass shades as they can break when banged with a cue or rest , and the glass will then damage the cloth
with this design that mimics an old Gas lamp , you will not have that problem .
the lighting  shade is available to view and collect from very close to Northampton Town Centre , access from the M1 motorway is around 10 minutes away.
you will require a small transit van to move this .
GCL billiards can quote for delivery , please enquire direct to Geoff on mobile  07753466064

please contact Geoff at GCL Billiards and he will forward your contact details onto our selling client .

I have found a better photo with the light that is for sale , although most of the shade is not viewed , it can be seen in the back ground , this photo shows its effect when hung . Click on photo for larger image !
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he Lighting Shade belongs to a retirement complex , and the Older gentlemen prefer the lighting of a modern high Frequency lighting  which they have had replace this very ornate shade.
also the room’s ceiling in my opinion and the rooms setting itself did not suit the ornate light.

please note, this sale is direct from the seller’s , no middlemen fees will be added .I have also found a couple of library photo’s of similar lighting that was also supplied by sir William Bentley Billiards old gas type snooker lighting swbentleyold gas lamp sir willaim bentley

As you can see from the photo’s these lighting units where all unique designs , and where bespoke manufactured for Sir William Bentley Billiards , the one in the retirement home is selling is very high end designer material , and would suit someone who is looking for that Victorian feel of Luxury , with a period table there is nothing better than a light that looks like it has also come from that Circa of 1890 /1900

I have just checked price’s with another  supplier ( Hamilton billiards ) of these type of lighting and the price for each pleated coolie shade is £95 per shade plus vat  , so there are £700 worth of coolie shades including vat on this light
and their price for main Brass or stainless lighting is from £1830 to £1890 plus vat . the lamp shades are extra to any light fitting , so these light fittings are around £3000 new at todays prices.
that £750 is  aBaragin from the retirement home .
I think these lighting units are Canadian made and are the from a manufacturer called Swanson .

Massive 2.5 inch thick slates on this Burroughs and Watts table we loaded today in Litchfield Staffordshire ….bad back on it’s way I think .

Today we have been collecting a Full size snooker table from Litchfield from a town house in the ground’s of Litchfield Cathedral .
I have worked on this table before when we first installed it in a house in the village of Somersal Herbert near Uttoxeter in 1987 for Mr smith who owned a very large Country timber framed Elizabethan  house that was built in 1564  . and we have moved the table a couple of time’s since then to other properties for Mr & Mrs Smith.
I was contacted by Mrs Lesley Smith to try and sell the table for her as Mr Smith had sadly passed away some years back .
After a Free advert was placed on GCL Billiards web site , we had one enquiry about the table , we passed on the details to Lesley,  and I am pleased to say the Buying client ( Adrian ) agreed to buy the table and may I say he got a very good deal and got the table at a ridicules  low price , which is all down to the current market for full size snooker tables of supply and demand , demand is low , and supply is flooded with second hand tables  .
The high prices for tables in the boom years of snooker which where the 1980’s are now a thing of the past , if time is on your side you may get a reasonable price if you require the table out quicker then expect any offers you can take.
and time was more important than price on this particular sale.
When we started to dismantle the table we found it had the 2.5 inch thick slates on which I forgot about , this table was modelled on a table used in a billiards championship in 1903 and is called the Roberts Table .
A name of the famous Billiard player of the Day .
Take a look at the following photo’s to see the quality of this fine billiard table made by Burroughs and watts around the turn of the Century circa 1903/1910
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You may be mistaken that the second slate has a crack running through it , but this is just a marble grain running through the slate and is normal to see this on many tables we take apart
the upper photo’s are the table in the room at Litchfield and being dismantled . as you can see it has the upgraded Steel Block cushions , a new type of solid cushion invented in 1896 and patented by Burroughs and watts .
the slate is extremely thick and heavy , we had to trolley the five sections of slate to the 5 steps outside and slide them down on cardboard and plywood to the pavement as they where too thick for our custom made slate slide .
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The van looking rather low on it’s suspension due to the extremely heavy slates , I can honestly say this is the thickest slate I have ever handled in nearly 40 years as a Billiards fitter.
the slates came from the door opening on the left of the first photo and down those steps , there where only two of us to manhandle these monster slates out of the building and onto the van , lucky for us the offer of an  extra pair of hands at the storage unloading part was most gratefully taken later on in the day .
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One out one in , we unloaded the table at our storage partner’s premises , Jonhills Removals of Nottingham have nice Dry warm storage which is ideal for storing wooden items that may absorb moisture if not stored correctly
In fact next to the slates there is a Grand Piano in storage that has been here for around 4 years  , Jonills Removals are experts at dry storage of your prized possessions and that’s why we use them .
No damp low price premises for storing our clients tables . when we can just refer them to Jonhills Removals !
we do not aim to make any money from storage, the price you pay for storage is direct to jonhills with no middle men fees added.
We can also refer Jonills to any customer as good reliable household removers.
We had another table in storage for a client that is being delivered to south of London on Friday so took the opportunity of unloading this heavy monster of a table and then loading a more lightweight 2 inch Italian slated modern table on the van ready for Friday .
So a very productive Day for us a table brought into storage for a couple of months and one we have had in storage for 11 weeks being re-loaded onto the van ready for installation this Friday .
but I know my back is now going to suffer from lifting this heavy table , I have informed the new owner of just how heavy these slates are for just two men to handle , and I am happy to say he says he will provide a little extra help at the installing process in around 2 months time .
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Above cartoon of how my arms felt today after lifting these heavy slates.

back pain is a common problem with billiards fitters , so it baffles me why snooker players sometimes suffer from it by just laying or bending over on the table , They should try lifting one then they will know what back pain is .
here is a link to snooker players who have stopped playing or even retired due to back pain http://www.worldsnooker.com/page/NewsArticles/0,,13165~3825629,00.html

 

 

 

 

Pool table re-covering , Spray on glue V spread on Contact Adhesive Glue for attaching bed cloth on ? You decide

Today I was at a club Re-covering two 7×4 supreme winner tables , in the same club there was a 9ft American Sam K steel pool table that was also being dismantled by another Firm From Birmingham by the sound of their accents .
the fitters arrived to take this table out just as I was gluing the slate beds of the two UK supreme pool tables .
One of the fitters started laughing and pointing at me saying I should be using spray on Glue , little did they know that the owner who was stood next to them  was not amused by this , as I had shown him the pitfalls of Gluing pool cloth on with spray on Glue many years ago and that’s why he use’s me to do his work  , he quickly shut the fitter up when he told them he did not like his tables being re-covered by fitters using spray on glue and also informed them that the fitter they where laughing at for using a comb to spread a contact adhesive glue on had nearly 40 year experience in  the trade as a fully time served Billiards fitter.
And here are my reason’s that I do not use spray on Glue for all you so called billiard fitters and pool table Re-covers out there .
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Photo 1 , a typical spray on glue , note the build up of overspray , this overspray prevents a ball rolling true down the side cushions , in my opinion spray on Glue should not be used for re-covering , it is used in the factory when the table is new , but after this any re-covering should have combed on Contact adhesive .gladstone overspray manufacturer
Even from new , you can see a problem of overspray from this Factory first re-cover of Brand new slate when using spray on glue , unless you cover all the area’s you will get overspray .
Note the thick line around 6 inch down the slate going  across the slate , the ball was rolling off this , so we where asked to strip the table to find out what was under the cloth .take a look at how clean the table is inside on the ball rails , this table was less than a week on site from new .

Below , Here is a slate that I have started to clean the overspray off  , note the date 12 dec 2012 , again the ball was stopping on a slow shot into this pocket due to the bad over spraying of thick spray on glue that the fitter has no control over , by using a spreader the fitter puts the glue exactly where he wants it to go on the edge and on the upper part that is under the cushion and not in the play area of the table , no build up of glue to make the ball wander off , and no complaints about the table rolling off .

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Now I could have made a scene and had a go back at these fitters , but I thought no , they are only saying this because they have not thought it out , and was most probably taught to re-cover pool tables with spray on Glue which is ok for Car Carpets or sound deadening but should not be used anywhere near the playing surface of a Cue sports table .
I used to buy cloth in a kit that came with a set of balls , a 7×4 bed and cushion kit , a triangle , 12 chalks  , a brush , a tin of cloth cleaner spray on type , and a tin of that spray on Glue .
I now have around 50 tins of spray on glue never used and in one box , if any of these fitters wants to buy these off me they can have at £2 a tin , Because it has no use for anything I do in the billiards / Snooker and pool trade. I only bought these kit because of the other items I could use like balls and brush , the cloth cleaner too . the spray on glue  was never used .
It is messy to use , it will not grab well and has been known for the cloth to become unstuck as the fitter is walking out the door . and I have seen some very nasty recover work by fitters who have got overspray not only on the slates playing surface but in the ball runners and inside the table , also all over the coin mech and tipping ball mechanisms .
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this is how I do all my Pool table re-covers , Note no glue overspray !
glue is applied to edge of slate 1/2 inch on top and side edge but not on top of pocket opening .
it is also applied by hand comb spreader around pocket falls and under pocket falls .
Old cloth is put over the new cloth to protect it as we have to glue the underside of the cloth
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and another example progress of work when gluing and finished table
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we also clean out the tables we are working on , cleaning all grease and sweat muck wax off all moving parts and ball runs and side tray
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cleaning a Super league tables ball runs , using a dish wash brush and plenty of washing up liquid and hot water .
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this is what I was removing , idle Fitters who leave this to build up , all tables should be cleaned inside making sure all the balls are running smooth over the ball runs and side trays , when a ball rolls over this it picks up dirt and grease off these dirty ball rails , it then deposits the grease on cushion facings and other balls  and all over that nice new cloth you have just had fitted at great expense !
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this is another bad example of spray on Glue !
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and this is how I get rid of it , Acetone and elbow grease .
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A clean set of ball runners under the slate , it appears that many fitters rely on the What the Eye cannot see
At GCL Billiards we do not leave anything to chance , we protect our reputation as a Firm that can carry out Re-covering on any Cue sports table in a proper manner , making sure the table performs to it’s best , next time you see a pool table fitter using spray on Glue point him to this Write up on my web site , I would like all fitters to see this .
and the moral of this story is ,

and Why do Fitter’s use this spray on Glue …..SPEED !…….. They want to do as many re-covers in a day and they are not too fussed in how they go about this .

so What is best for Gluing a cue sports table slate bed , Spray on Glue or Spread on contact adhesive ?

 

POOL TABLE HIRE at GCL BIlliards …..You try and find a better deal with an experienced billiard fitter carrying out the maintenance.

At GCL Billiards we offer a pool table rental service that is Great value. option one @ £15 per week is one recover per year . option two @ £18,50p per week = two re-covers per year , ideal for winter and summer pool league’s , always start the new season with a new cloth and have good tables to play on. ripley winner finished We always use top quality Strachan 6811 grade cloth , this cloth has the finest nap for playing top class pool . Be the envy of your local league by having a table on rental from GCL billiards . Most tables are maintained by Slot Machine ( Fruit Machine) firms with no experience of how a Cue sports table should perform , they mainly stick thick long lasting cloth on, and swop over new 1 year old cushions with old many year old cushions sometimes even having different cushions with different aged rubber on !
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Just imagine playing on cushions like these , They also have slack cloth and rubber hanging off and table is never installed level  , how do I know this? From experience putting their work right, and taking photo’s to prove it !
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Above an example of swop over cushions , on this table we have one blue rubber , two black rubber , and three red rubber , all put on by a Fruit machine engineer who recovered a mass of cushions in the warehouse and just picked any 6 up to fit to this table , this would never happen at GCL billiards !
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the only time GCL billiards swop cushions over is to replace them with Brand new one’s

At GCL Billiards we are 100% Cue Sports table maintenance fitters with 40 years experience , we do not operate Fruit Machine or Game video Machines , we put 100% into the pool table to make sure it is playing it’s best , you will not find anyone more focused in the type of work we do .
winners stabbo slates recovered in 6811 strachan By having a proper time served Billiards fitter you can not get better people to maintain your hire pool table . Our preference is to use all supreme make tables and 99% of them are the Supreme Winner as used by the Professional and National pool players and teams. We offer a straight rental of a fixed price per week , let me explain why this is better than a 50/50 split for both the hire firm and the customer. If a pool table is maintained correct , then the use increases , if your table exceeds more than £30 per week in takings , then you are much better taking the fixed rental of one re-cover , if above £37 per week then go for the two recovers per year . If you took an option of 50/50 and your table takes £200 per month then the payment per month would be £100 , and not the fixed rate of £65 per month for a one recover option. you would be giving money away to the tune of £35 per month . The hire firm like’s to have a fixed rental agreement because it is set in stone and our investment in the pool table and maintenance is guaranteed . If the 50/50 split meant more money for the hire firm and less for the Landlord , then the Landlord of the pub would soon change the agreement ,  and ask for the lower priced fixed rental anyway so best to be up front and that is why we only do fixed rental terms. The Landlord always has the keys and he takes all the takings , we send fixed rate invoices to be paid by direct payment . We have a Supreme winner in stock ready to locate , just pick up the phone and dial 07753466064 , we like to stay within a close area for our pool table hire service , mainly within a 20 / 30 mile radius of NG10 4JU , this ensures quick response for any maintenance work or call out. prince 7ft red We do a few Supreme Prince table out on site’s , but we and professionals and local pool teams prefer the Supreme Winner. these table we find are more sturdy than the turned leg Prince . We are aiming to expand our pool table hire operation and double it in the next year so we are looking for good pub and club site’s to expand into . we are investing a great deal into this expansion of pool table rental site’s . We want to become the FIRST CHOICE for pool table rentals. We have had no complaints with the site’s we have , in fact nothing but praise not only from the owners of the establishments we have them in , but also from the pool teams that play and visit these pool table site’s. they can really tell the difference in the quality cloth we use. winner at the gladstone This Supreme winner table was our Third table to be sited ,and has been on site now nearly 24 months. although this one is  in oak cabinet finish , GCL billiards prefer the Black pearl finish , but because of demand outstripping supply at the Factory , we had to take two of these light oak cabinet tables because they where urgent to our needs . also players prefer the Dark cabinet of the black pearl as the cloth area stands out more with a black surround. there is currently a waiting list from the factory of three weeks for Black pearl tables , but we try and have an order going in every month for a new table so as to be ready to place a table on site , we also have returning tables from say when a pub landlord leaves and the new landlord wants to use the space of the pool table for say Food eating area . in this case the tables are fully valeted and cleaned out washed inside , any worn part replaced and a total re-cloth in Strachan 6811  grade cloth which has a fine nap.
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Above photo showing three new Supreme winner tables that we placed in one club loaded on our Van  . we do give a slight discount for multiple tables on one site.
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although Heywood who make the Supreme Winner have a large manufacturing base near Oldham , they just cannot keep up with demand for the supreme winner pool tables ,this make of table is the number one choice for professionals and home use. All the tables you see in this Warehouse have been reserved and are ready to load or collect. there is three week waiting list , so GCL Billiards is now going to order one or two every month . to keep up with demand for our rental site’s.

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Contact Geoff  by email c.large@btinternet.com to discuss GCL Billiards supplying a Supreme Winner pool table or phone mobile 07753460664 or Home 01159725355

High Frequency Snooker table lighting fitted in Coventry , no turning back after having this fitted .

Last week we visited an Higher learning institution that has two snooker tables that had the old tin metal lighting canopy .
these had years of nicotine on the underside and very poor low quality low wattage lighting bulbs , it was like playing in a cave under candlelight !
I recovered these tables last year and was due to go back and re-stretch the bed cloths , so took the opportunity to also fit two new sets of lighting for them

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Before they had these 1980s alloy shades with nicotine stains on the underside .
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using the original hanging wires that where on the old shades we had these new high frequency units up very quick , they where prewired in the workshop and mounted onto metal U channelling to make one 10ft twin unit .
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The lighting is now a lot brighter to play under , the costing for these two tables came to £600 for two table’s fitted , so £300 per table for each complete double unit table light delivered and fitted .
I also repaired one small cut around 1 inch in one bed cloth . and then checked the levels .

 

Re-stretching Bed cloths on Snooker tables

We are re-visiting clients who 12 months ago had a re-cover from GCL billiards
We are now re-stretching the bed cloths and then checking the level of the table , last week we visited two private houses with different Snooker rooms .
The first was a Log Cabin in the garden  of one house .
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An internal measurement of 29ft by 17ft makes this log cabin not just a games room or man cave but also a place to relax in .
It stretches from around 12ft to spare at the bottom of the Garden to just 1 metre from the house at the other end , they do have a bit more Garden to the left side of this photo above.
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A huge log cabin which I was informed cost around £6000 flat packed including base , by the owner.
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The middle internal side strengthened walls  do encroach into the side of the table and a short cue is used at that point if it is an obstacle for cueing , a small price to pay to get a full size snooker table in . so we advised that the Baulk ( D end ) was placed at that end , and the business end black red etc kept free from obstruction .
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the log cabin could not have the old coffin shade installed due to low roof level , but the new office type high frequency lighting is much better for it .
Our client was away in Germany when we did the re-stretch but his Partner let me in to do the work .
Our second job that day was a different type of table and room , also note the same type of High Frequency lighting above this table too !
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After the log cabin with temperatures of 30C , it was nice to work in an Air conditioned room especially built for this Antique table.
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I had a little problem with the level being out on this table due to settlement of the building , surprising the log cabin table had not moved out of level as much as this one
I spent over 1 hour levelling this table , and eventual got the result that I was after , the electronic level I used as well as the engineers metal level shows the spot on figure I was after , the table is 0.0 , place a £20 note under one end and it read 0.1 , this table is within the thickness of a £20 all over it’s slate bed , mostly 0.0 and only the odd place where it is 0.1 .
Now that’s being picky !

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If you have a table that is playing slow , cloth can be moved by fingers bridging onto ball and is also out of level , then maybe you require a re–stretch of bed cloth service visit from GCL billiards

 

 

 

Oak life pool scoreboard and rotating cue rack available for sale .

The Table has been sold but the very nice scoreboard is still available and also the rotating cue rack
Scoreboards is £1000 and cue rack is £750 or both for £1500 , no rush to sell as these are being taken and stored until sold so no low offers please , at £1500 they are a bargain .Cox yeman oak scorbaord life pool penny slots  rotherhamScore board with penny slots , the rotating cue rack can be seen in photo below at side of the table at far end cues are also available
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A little History of Cox & yeman to show the pedigree of this table
Cox and Yeman where founded in 1848 by Henry cox , he was joined by by Edward Yeman in 1851 to form Cox & Yeman .
Edward Yeman had been employed by Burroughs and watts as a Cushion stuffer , a form of stuffing the cushions on a billiard table before early cushion rubber was invented .
He was probably a fully fledged time served Billiards fitter , but there is History reference to him actually stuffing cushions with felt . they both would have had some Cabinet makers training too .
In 1868 they where located at 209a Brompton Road SW .
They where well known for the export of their Billiard tables to India , many of the tables shipped out to India had very hard beetle resistant wood or even frames made out of cast iron to stop wood boring  grubs destroying the table.
In 1870 the first billiards match between Roberts & Cook,
and Cox and Yeman along with Burroughs and watts and Thurston’s they paid for a magnificent trophy which can now be seen in Thurston’s Showroom’s  in Liverpool .
In 1870 they also moved into new larger  premises at 184 Bromton road .
in 1896 the partnership was dissolved , but the business still continued under the old name of Cox & Yeman .
A much further detailed report on cox and yeman can be found by visiting  www.snookerheritage.co.uk/histories-articles/cox-yeman/  info from Peter Clare of Thurston and Peter Ainsworth Billiards historian .

Geoff at GCL Billiards on 07753466064 or email c.large@btinternet.com , I will pass on any offers to the selling client .

GCL Billiards have had success in helping to sell direct from seller to buyer through our web site , if you have a table for sale please get in touch with Geoff at GCL Billiards to discuss your table.
Good quality photo’s also help sell the table rather than photo’s taken on a I phone , use a good Digital camera .

 

 

 

WANTED WINNER SUPREME coin mech pool tables 7×4

We are desperate for second hand Supreme winner pool tables with mechanical coin mech  and we will also consider the Supreme Prince which was more expensive to buy new , but is not so desirable as the winner  .

Email c.large@btinternet.com or phone direct on mobile 07753466064 or home 01159725355 please leave a message if no one answers .

We have clients waiting to buy these tables after being refurbished with new cloth and new cushions and inside ball rails . and we also require them for our rental sites .

All we ask is the outside cabinets are free from damage . no chips or forced entry to side door repairs !

Price paid will depend on how old the table is , I can date the table from appearance and badge design , we prefer the latest type with pearl finish , REAL METAL CORNER PLATES  , and alloy cushion trim , but anything considered . They must be mechanical coin operation not free play or electronic battery operated .

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We have just been up to The Supreme Factory to collect three new tables which we put out on rental in one site in Coventry , this shows just how busy we are on the rental side of the business .
We often try and order new tables but Winner Supremes’ are in such huge demands that there is a three week waiting list for new tables currently , This is why we require good condition later models from the second hand market .
A few photo’s of a recent visit to the Factory where supreme tables are made .

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Inside the factory a fork lift moving tables around to get at three for our van loading . All the tables in that racking are SOLD !
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The first two being loaded
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Neatly stacked and secured onto the van with ratchet straps , slates went on first then body of pool table stacked on top of these .
There was room for one more !  …….. and with foresight  I  should have ordered Four .
I picked another New one up from Peradon and I have sourced a good second hand later model from a seller in Walsall .
but we are still looking for more .