SOLD SOLD SOLD Superb condition Burroughs and Watts Full size snooker table for sale at just £500 , SOLD SOLD SOLD

SOLD SOLD SOLD  At just £500 asking price !

after just 4 days of advertising this table on GCL billiards web site for sale section , the table has been sold and collection and delivery is all arranged

 

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Original advert

 

We have a client who is moving House soon and would like to sell their full size Burroughs and watts snooker table
The table has been fully refurbished and is in very good almost unused condition since that refurb .
Look at the photo’s the condition is plain to see
Bur watts tulip eye 1
every thing is with it Cues lights and scoreboard and small cue rack
bur watts tulip eye 2
The table is in Fantastic condition
bur watts tulip leg eye cloth condition very good
the cloth is in as almost new condition
Bur watts tulip eye end view
As you can see the polish of the woodwork is also as it was when installed
bur watts tulip eye leg close up
the classic Victorian Tulip leg design also has the 4 sided eyelet on the top turn , this was a much sought after table in the 1980s /90s when I was working for another Billiards firm
there are some parts that are not original like the knee panels and the cushions look modern to me which is not  a bad thing as the modern openings on a snooker table is a must for most players in today’s game
This table will be sold at a very reasonable price due to our clients wishing to move on the table pretty quick
I will add the advised price once I have discussed the selling market with the selling client which I have and it is £500 for this ground floor sited snooker table .
For anyone wishing to purchase this table there are removal and delivery plus set up costings , if you wish to discuss this with Geoff at GCL billiards ,
we can work out a Price for you once we know where the table is to be delivered to and the type of install upstairs or Ground floor

For more information about this table please contact Geoff  or Carol Large on email ……. c.large@btinternet.com

or phone 07753466064   we would prefer email contact though as we like to enjoy our weekends and evenings  away from work .

The Nations Cup International pool tournament is coming to Nottinghamshire at the Towers snooker & Pool club , GCL billiards re-cover 9 of the tables for this Event !

One of the largest Pool tournaments is coming to the Towers Snooker and Pool Venue , on Botany Avenue Mansfield from Monday the 28th to Friday the 30th of October
And it is FREE to watch , Geoff Large of GCL billiards was especially contacted to carry out the refurbishment of the playing surface of 9 of the 15 pool tables located at the Towers Venue
and I thank Jules goodyear for recommending me and for passing on my Details to Harvey Elmhirst one of the the tournament organisers , and Chris Walker Towers Director .
Towers pool area strip down of slate beds ,
The first four tables being treated to a new playing surface , the cloth of choice and recommended by Geoff and Jules Goodyear ( Current Nations cup senior pool singles champion and also England Team A champion )  is the New lightweight 29 oz Strachan all wool6811 TOURNAMENT cloth , we have been getting rave reviews on the lighter weight 6811 tournament for both snooker and pool tables.
Towers re-covering of slate beds
The slates have been cleaned of all dirt and dust and  any loose glue removed around the edge and the slate edge and under edge of cloth is glued with contact adhesive
The dry time before stretching the cloth on is around 20 minutes per table bed .
The cushions have already been stripped of all staples taken out , reclothed in the same 6811 tournament 29 oz cloth and refastened back to the frames .
Towers slate beds recovered now
the slate beds have now been re-covered .
Towers ball rails process of being cleaned
at GCL billiards we do not do half a job , we also clean the inside of the tables , we vacuum all dust from the main body and wash down and degrease the rails of wax residue which is a combination of sweat off hands
and chalk and wool residue shedding from cloth as can be seen further down this ball rail  , if you let years of the build up you are asking for balls to stick , resulting in player picking the table up and dropping it to free the balls .
the bad thing about this is you can get broken feet , or worse a cracked slate bed .
Cleaning the inside of the table is part of a re-cover . and is part of GCL billiards code of practice to do this .
Towers ball rails all cleaned
all nice and clean and ready to accept balls rolling down without the risk of getting stuck,  and also nice clean rails will not deposit the muck back onto the nice new cloth you have just had fitted .
Towers remove beer matts and put cloth strips under slate bed
Packing sagging slates !
Many pool table fitters pack under the slate bed to get the dip out , my theory of this is it leaves a gap unsupported along the slate between these beer mat packers
I have been fully trained as a Billiards fitter and work on full size snooker tables , I put some of the theory of that training into how to support the length of the slate bed in a pool table if shimming to get level
I use the centre ball rail return gully uprights which is the main support for the slate bed if anyone sits on a table overtime the carcase will begin to sag down between the legs  , the centre uprights also distort and sag.
my way of packing or shimming  is to run a length of thin snooker cloth down the top edge staple in position , then run a further shorter length on top in the middle  , what I am doing is building a gradual pyramid to lift the bow or sag out of the slate , on bad tables this can take three strips each one smaller in length than the previous strip  , but normally it takes just two strips , like in the above photo.
My own personal theory into using beermats is don’t , they cause too many problems , if you pack too much you can distort the top lid bend the clamps or distort them and also make the hinge side rattle
I have checked the tables I have re-covered and used the strip cloth method of leveling the sagging slate , and removed all the beer mats that where previously put there by someone else ,  I staple my strips of cloth in place so it will not move or fall into the main gully like loose beer mats can .
Towers three more top end recovers
three more tables going through the process of playing surface refurbishment at the Towers
red rubber got every staple out 2
It is important when re-covering cushions to take every old staple from the previous re-cover out , this makes for a neater re-cover plus a build up of staples can lift the cushion above where it should be , ball Rebound can be effected
too high and the cushion is dead , too low and the balls jump , you do not get the full bounce out of cushions if they are too high .
Towers leveling of table
the final part of any pool table re-covering and refurbishment is the Leveling of the tables
I use an old Mercedes car side jack that I have converted to move around the table with ease to lift and drop the tables down for access to the table leg feet
I move in 1/4 turns each foot , I then try a few balls around the table
Good cloth which is looked after will Run very fast and true , cloth that is neglected will fluff up shed and you may get what we describe as cardigan arms ball fluffs appearing or clumping of cloth .
a simple rule of thumb is every 10 hours of use Brush then Blocker and Iron , and even if the club has ironed the tables early that day  if it’s match night Iron them again .
the Iron setting of a Dowsing Iron with thermostat for this type of Strachan 6811 Tournament cloth is the hottest setting N0 9
if you are using Hainsworth Match cloth then setting number 8
keep the iron off the cushion rubber by about 1/8th ” ,  heat will make the rubber go off and you will end up replacing cushions due to dead bounce from early rubber deterioration
Towers view of tables from door 1
As photo  from one end of the room
Towers Black pearl winner finished
one of the Black pearl cabinet finish Supreme winner pool tables , fitted with the new 29oz Strachan lightweight Tournament cloth
Towers white pearl winner finished
and  a table in the white Pearl finish , notice all the tables have racking cloths fitted , if you are a Pool Player there are a few rules to think about and get used to doing or not doing here are the 6 most important .
Rule one =  always use the racking cloth
Rule two =  never sit on the table the slate will distort and sag
Rule three = clean hands never eat greasy crisps or nuts when playing pool
Rule four = keep drinks well away from the table
Rule 5 = Respect the table keep tips and ferrules in good order and never dig into the cloth with your cue and keep tip well chalked .Green chalk for Green cloth , do not use BLUE chalk .
rule 6 = cue cases opening on the table some have sharp hinges or catches that can damage the cloth open the cue case on a side drinks table never on a pool tables playing surface .
Towers van outside
If you like the way I go about my business in maintaining pool and snooker tables and you have a venue or a table of your own then please contact Geoff Large at GCL billiards
contact details are ….c.large@btinternet.com or phone 07753466064 or home 01159725355
nations cup flyer
Interested in going over to check this event out then please contact the towers Snooker club or just turn up , its FREE for spectators .
towers upstairs room
Upstairs room at the towers has another 6 Supreme winner pool tables

Chinese imported Pool tables , Low cost to buy , but could be costly to re-cover later on

I have just been over to a warehouse in Leicestershire , I was asked by a firm of Importers and shippers of Chinese Goods , mainly hot tubs and leisure goods to the UK .
to have a look at two types of pool tables they had ordered and to show the wharehousemen how to re-cover the slate beds so that they could part assemble them before loading and delivery .
the cushions came already covered , but the slates did not .
They had a bit of a problem in that these slate beds are designed to be screwed onto  the frame directly through countersunk holes that had to be filled over with filler then re-covered on site .
China low cost astley
the frame comes flat packed and has to be assembled like this , it looks like they are using the same design of legs normally found on twist bar football tables .
there are 4 chrome twist feet to be placed on the end of the legs for leveling , I decided to dry fit without these on as we where just demonstrating today not actually fitting it to be played on
China low cost astley suround being put on
I placed the slate on then assembled the flat packed cushions and surround skirt on top of a Blanket so we did not scratch the top
Those chinese flat pack instructions take some reading , I went by the photo’s in the end .
china low cost astlet slate and cush on
The slate had holes where countersunk screws where to fasten the slate directly to the frame , I worked out that these holes could be filled with car body filler this made part assembly and covering of the slate bed before delivery possible
My Client who had ordered 40 of these type of tables did not realise that he would have flat packed tables delivered and was shocked to find out he had to assemble them fully and also fit the bed cloths !
He contacted GCL billiards to find a solution to part assemble them as drop off time per item is normally done in 30 minutes , they also deliver Hot tubs and would have a part load of pool tables and hot tubs to do multi drops around the country
He did not want any delays in flat pack assembly of the pool tables .
china low cost ball return ramp
the ball return was a simple piece of hardboard down each side incorporating both a slot in the frame and a slot in the skirt surround of the cushion skirt , one end has to be left off to get these in then put the end on which has the ball acess hole in .
I see many of these types of tables for sale on Ebay , my own personal feeling is they are not the type of table I like to work on .
there are many designs of tables some easy to errect and re-cover , some hard to re-cover .
to re-cover this table for example it is a two man job and therefore twice the expense of labour .
the second table we erected was a little different in design but almost the same format and it had a table top and table tennis cover for it .
My advice to my client was to sell the 40 tables and when he requires more to ask a table fitter for advice on the type of table to supply and deliver with ease .
When  I get enquiries for pool table re-covers I try and ask the Client for a photo of the table before I take the work on .
Gatley pool table 1Gatley prince pool table
The two tables above are low cost tables that I would recommend my client to look at next time he thinks of stocking tables that are easy to assemble ,
they come in just a few parts
Main body with cushions surround , two or four legged versions , and slate bed , Two men could assemble these in 15 minutes on site easy
A much better solution than the imported chinese table . and they come already covered slate bed and cushions .

Enlarge to template size , Snooker table pocket openings on a Riley Aristocrat in Derby, they where too tight !

I have been over to Derby to adjust the pocket openings on a riley Aristocrat
The old openings where 3.3/8ths at the fall which is too tight
My clients friends where reluctant to come round and play on his table .
Derby open pockets up Chris 1 temp not fitting
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his was the problem , these templates would not fit into the openings at 3.3/8ths at the fall
Derby open pockets up cushion on and adjusting
after carefully unstapling the cloth on the corner pockets I put the cushions back onto the table in the correct place , using a centre template to centre the side cushions up .
Derby open pocktes up cloth pealed back
by carefully taking the staples out I peeled the cloth back to reveal the rubber openings
I then placed the corner template over this and traced around it , then cut the slivers of excess rubber away  , around 1/16th each side .
Derby open poickets middles ok chris
the middle pockets where ok and fitted my centre templates perfectly
Derby open pokctes up undercut temp fitted ok after rasping
After trimming and rasping and sanding the angles , I carefully turned over and re stapled the cloth back on
this photo is of the under cut template showing a perfect fit to align perfectly with the slate fall
Derby open pocktes up corner temp perfect fit
The corner template is now a perfect fit in all 4 corner pockets and a shade over 3.5 inch , the balls are much more inclined to fall now and the jaw  rattle is reduced ,
a ball is a little forgiving when resting in the jaw and is inclined to fall in but only just , before they where almost impossible to fall in if slightly rattled on entry to fall , I have not made these openings massive like some club tables you play on , they are what I call just above pro size pockets by about 1/32nd of an inch .
the worst thing you can do is expect normal players to play on very tight pocket openings they will just walk away from that type of table as the game is no fun for them , by slightly opening the pockets up they will start to build more confidence and make higher breaks .
I have been adjusting a few tables recently to have slightly larger pocket openings . some require pockets openings at 3.3/4 wide but most go for 3.5/8ths , this one is between 3.5 and 3.5/8th .
Derby open pocckets up finished table TV
The table finished and ready for play , the room that this table is locate at is above some industrial units in Derby , my client rents the room out to include all electricity , he has a toilet and fridge and tea making facilities.
It is one way of having a few mates round for snooker without having to wait or booking of a table as in a snooker club location .
so if you do not have room for a full size snooker table at home then consider renting a room like this unused office space above a normal running garage business which would only store rubbish in it .
It is a win win situation for both Garage owner and Snooker fanatic .
the work is fiddly and very time consuming as you have to take it steady and carefully cut and check before rasping and sanding , this is not a DIY job and you should refer to a qualified Billiard Fitter for this very experienced hands on work

Snooker and Pool table recovering in Northampton and Wellingborough , also wedged beer mat under slates on pool tables DO NOT DO THIS !

We have been over to Coopers Snooker and Pool club in Wellingborough
The work we have just completed
“full size snooker tables recovered in Strachan 6811 tournament 30 oz cloth
coopers snooker area up two re-covers 0ct 2015
and three 7×4 Supreme winner pool tables also recovered in Strachan 6811 tournament 30 oz cloth
Coopers pool area 10 tables 3 re-covered Oct 15th 2015
the UK pool area now has 10 supreme Winner pool tables and is now used as the main Northampton county pool team venue
an impressive room , an  ex cinema with very high ceiling which made hanging new electric match lighting a risky job , so best left to Electricians who can work at Heights off scaffolding .
coopers pool area beer mat packing no good
In august we help recover and relocate some of the Supreme winner tables for coopers from their sister club in Northampton
they had nine tables back then so had room for one more which they sourced from another firm .
They then had the electricians move all the lighting and the tables had to be relocated , a job they did themselves , then they asked the fitter from the other firm who installed that 10th table to look at the other tables and level them .
the above photo shows what he did , packed under the slate with beer mats , this is taboo , and can cause cracked slates or even warped corrugated slate where the slate sags on the gap between the packing .
on the three tables I recovered I put right what this fitter had done , and made much better way of rectifying dropped slates or sagging slate as some call this , normally caused by people sitting on the next table they are playing on .
coopers pool area beer mat packing x3
one of the other tables he leveled by placing beer matts under the slate in different places , you may notice where he is placing these beer matts on the two centre ball return  tunnel supports , which run the entire length of the slate from end to end
coopers pool area proper way to lift sagging slate with cloth strps
and my way of packing is to support the slate gradually by stapling thin strips of cloth then a shorter piece of thin cloth over that , if a third is required then attach that , the slate is then gradually supported it’s entire length
There is no air gaps under the slate between the support and the slate so no risk of a cracked slate and no risk of corrugation of slate
I have given much thought into getting the slate bow out of the carcase on these tables and , I believe my way to be the best solution
I put this down to my Time served Billiards fitter experience of 40 years , the other fitter I think is just  a pool table engineer and not a proper Time served Billiard sfitter trained in the art of working on all cue sports tables
If you can understand how the slates on a full size snooker table must be supported it is no difference in pool tables there must be support on it’s entire length and no gaps between slate and frame , and not wedged with beer mats like the above pool table engineer did , a common thing I find when on my rounds .
The solution to keep tables level is to stop people sitting on the tables , the average male is 12 to 14  stone put this in the centre of the table and it will sag down and deform the carcass of the pool table which in turn the slate will also follow the shape of the now sagging carcass  , so if you see people sitting on pool tables tell them off and point them to this report .
Also , if a pool table engineer places too many beer mats under the slate the top surround cushion clamps will be sprained and cause rattling clips and hinges .

Mint condition Alliance Royal full size snooker table for sale in light oak ….£1100 0r swop for new 7×4 supreme winner pool table in Black pearl

We have a client in cheshire who wishes to sell their full size Alliance snooker table
which cost  £4225 and in as new condition so we are informed
the table is an Alliance Royal model  , and is hand crafted in the finest oak here in the UK

see link here for details

http://www.alliancesnooker.co.uk/tables/new-snooker-tables/royal-full-size-table.html
GCL billiards have not inspected this table we are going from the selling clients details he has supplied from receipts .
aliance jamie goddhall oak table £2000
this is the Actual table when installed , and we are informed it is ,still in the same condition
We are awaiting more photo’s
again if you would like to know the cost of dismantle and transporting then unloading and setting back up on a ground floor , please ask Geoff at GCL billiards for this costing at …. c.large@btinternet.com

3 counties 2
our client would be willing to swop the full sized table for a brand new 7×4 supreme winner in Black pearl just like the one in the photo above , on an exchange install , snooker table out and pool table in on same day .

kelso B&B house
We have the correct van tools and experienced Billiards fitter to complete any move on this full size snooker table with very thick wrapping removal blankets to protect against damage
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lates and few parts loaded on a recent job location in Scotland
van igor loaded inside cargo

Full size Orme snooker table for sale in Derby , with Victorian life pool scoreboard and rotating cue rack also later framed rules .

We have a client who wishes to sell their very nice antique full size Orme of Manchester snooker table circa 1895 -1900  which is based in Derby and we are looking for offers at this moment in time
you can make an offer for all of the equipment and the table or buy the table on it’s own or buy the scoreboard and cue rack seperately
the scoreboard is a desirable old Life Pool type and the rotating antique cue rack is also a desirable object
mickleover tulip legged table with cover and shade
the full sized table is located above a Garage with modern 1990s Enbild light shade in stained wood
mickleover orme scoreboard tulip legged table
The very desirable Life Pool Scoreboard , these do hold a bit of value,  all though they do not fetch the very high prices of the 1980s and 90s and have halved in price with Ebay sales , expect to pay around the £350 to £450 mark for one of these in this Fair to average condition , this one has a bit of renovation the yellow is a new slide and the brass slide covers are not original feature , these will be hiding wear to the slot of the slide marker  , and is a normal wear a tare thing with these type of boards and shows it has had club or heavy use in its life .
mickleover tulip CUE rack revolving old
The period Victorian revolving cue rack valued at around the same £450 as the scoreboard , 20 years ago these where fetching £750 easy , believe it or not a new replica of this  is sold for around the same price or even more  , this one is an original one though
mickleover rules tulip leg
A nice set of Snooker rules in very nice frame and glazed. worth around £40 to £50
mickleover tulip , old billiards sign rule
An original house rule for club members also framed pointing out the conditions of table use and which table to play certain games on and timings .
if this came with the table it shows it was in an higher end club rather than a working mens club .
mickleover bar table
A bar table is also included
mickleover 12ft leg close up tulip
This Orme  & sons table was renovated by a firm I used to work for from 1980 to 2012 , and I am sure I helped installed this table in 1990 with the help of stiens or jonills removals men doing the lifting upstairs of the heavy slates .
The table had the cushions re-polished and re-rubber plus re-cover and the frame was waxed and buffed up , this table looks to have kept it’s reconditioned appearance and the woodwork looks in excellent order.
So there you have it , either bid for the entire package or bid just for the other Victorian  accessories
GCL van outrside warickshire home sept 2015
If you require this table dismantling and transporting then contact GCL billiards for a quote

all enquiries to

c.large@btinternet.com

SOLD ? ….. PLEASE INFORM US IF SOLD when you advertise a table on GCL billiards web site , if you do not we carry on sending people to you !

SOLD

After sending a buying client to this seller we are now instructed that the table was sold elsewhere ? , please if anyone advertises a table on GCL billiards web site ,
and you sell it yourself then do not forget to inform Geoff at GCL billiards so he can take the advert down .
I have wasted my buying clients time and my own time corresponding the details over to him , This is also embarrassing for us .
I have sent around 4 emails with costs of moving the table and costs of renovating it to our buying client ,

WE are now looking for a decent 8ft table for our buyer , table must be 3 section bolted cushions and 6 legs of decent manufacture and condition .

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We have a client in Sussex post code RH20 who wishes to sell their Karnehm and Hillman three section slate bed snooker table circa 1980s
these modern tables where one of the better made ones , low cost imports where  to blame for the demise of K & Hillman
this square legged tables has 6 legs which is very good as the centre span is well supported with the centre legs ,
older 4 legged 8fts tend to have sagging issues due to heavy slate over time bending the frame , with 6 legs this is eliminated
8FT k&HILLMAN SUSSEX
the table comes with balls and cues and cue rack plus a light shade and scoreboard
8ft is the start of what we in the billiards trade say is the best size upwards for a more professional game
many tables under 8ft are supplied with small balls and people do get a bit frustrated when they step up to play on a full size , but with this 8ft you can play with 2 inch or full size balls
and 10 or 15 reds
8ft k&hillman 3
the table will require a full re-cover , nets and leathers look ok but the new owner may upgrade to new also
8ft k&hillamn 2
not all people have room for a full size so maybe this 8ft is just the table for you and it is very competitively priced at just £350

If you would like to know the costs of the logistics of dismantle and collecting of this table then
please get in touch with Geoff at GCL billiards  if you require a quote for the pick up re-cover and delivery and assemble of this 8ft snooker table .

all enquiries to Geoff at

 

c.large@btinternet.com