Here we have an original Riley Rise and fall diner . 7ft size .
circa 1930s to 1950s .
Made in solid oak or bleached mahogany which looks to have been stripped back for a more lighter natural look .
The cloth is perfectly playable but does show signs of wear on nose of cushions and could do with a good iron to lay the wool nap back down .
*** PLEASE NOTE
I have been informed that this table is located upstairs , I did have a buyer lined up but I not know this , you must when making an offer ask the seller to get down stairs or base your bid on yourself employing people to get it downstairs for you and deduct that from a bid that you would have made if this table was on the ground floor . although heavy this table does not weigh as much as a single section of 5 off a full size snooker table , the dining table slate is only half an inch thick while a full size table is two inch thick and comes in 5 sections , this is a one piece slate bed table but only half an inch thick and 7ft by 3ft 6 inch ,you may with three people slide it downstairs using an old strip of carpet to protect the stairs and the table edge .
you may need a piano trolley like this to wheel it to a van on its side edge
The light oak and square fluted legs would suit a more modern home as well as say a cottage with plenty of oak such as doors or skirting .
being a dining table it doubles both for dining and playing .
It is important for any 4 legged diner to have anti bow beams fitted , here you can see these beams supporting the slate so as to discourage sagging in the middle .
the all important rise and fall lifting brackets are all in location , some may find the lifting to lower and the lifting to lock up hard to master , but it is a simple procedure
and these brackets require just a few drops of oil or grease to keep free and work with ease .
wipe any excess oil or grease away when doing this , badly maintained lifter brackets will result in sticking bracket slides .or one side free while the other sticks , most annoying .
another view of the very nice solid oak dining tops in 5 sections .
some of the accessorizes are included , but you will have to ask the seller which ones
I always recommend that any seller includes the full kit to playing the game , after all you would not buy a car without a steering wheel so why buy a snooker table without scoreboard
or balls .
so please find out what is included before committing to buy from this private seller .
As you can see the cloth is a bit faded and shows ball wear on the face of the cushions but I have been assured there are no damage in the cloth and it is perfectly playable .
please also inquire from the seller that the rubber cushions rebound with good value .
GCL billiards do not own any of the tables for sale in the for sale section , they are advertised as a direct sale from the seller , so you must ask the seller these questions .
If you require any information please email me after the 22nd of September 2017 as I am out of the country for this week .
I will put any one interested in the fine well made piece of furniture , directly in touch with the seller Emmi .
These 7ft Riley diner tables are sought after and can fetch anywhere between £650 to £1300 DEPENDING on rubber /cloth nets and leathers and polish condition .
In pristine fully renovated condition expect to pay around £2500 from a dealer for an oak 7ft version .
This table seems to be in good moderate condition so I would say a figure between the two would be a fair price depending on what came with it of course and if those rubbers are in good order .
I base my valuations on Private sales not what a dealer would ask , so they are very fair come and buy me prices based on what these tables exchange hands for on the private market .
A dealer may ask for much more but they normally are sat for many years before someone buys them .
You may decide on a re-cover so here area few prices so you know what it would cost to bring right up to A1 playing condition .
A re-cover in good quality Strachan napped cloth £325
a re-rubber using good quality 5/8th rubber £275
new nets and leathers fitted as same time as a re-cover around £100 per set again good quality type .
This table is worth at least £650 , but based on factors given may be worth around £950 to £1150 that is my guideline for this table based on the photos .
Of course you will also have any removal and collection and delivery costs on top of this .
The table is based in Shalbourne Village in the SN8 are , not far from Andover . or the M4 .
all inquiries to GCL billiards by email please . please paste this advert to any email when inquiring , it makes life so much easier .
I have a trip out to a village near Toulouse France and have a small job on Monday the 18th before I fly out on Tuesday the 19th September 2017.
I will not be back to answer emails or the phone calls until late Friday the 22nd of September 2017 .
Please do not try the mobile number as it will be out of use until I get back from France.
now and again a little trip to the continent is required , I do not take many of these job’s on .
they take much of my valuable time traveling rather than working on the stacking up back log of work here in the UK .
But Billiard fitters are very hard to find in France , and unless based over there any work is expensive .
I charge a day rate and that rate is based on the work I may miss out on here in the UK while working abroad and if Flights take up a days rates then I’m afraid i have to charge for the days flying too .
plus any expenses such as air flights insurance and taxi’s transfers from Nottingham to Birmingham or any UK Airport .
plus accommodation and food .
This week I am flying from Birmingham to Toulouse in the south of France to do an insurance job on a water damaged table .
this is only one days work but it will take up three days with the traveling and flight times .
as you can see traveling to the south of France is a fair distance .
and one I would not do by car van or train today , mainly because of migrants damaging the van , but also the hassle of road tolls
As for Trains how long will it take to travel from Nottingham to London then across to say Paris then onto the south of France .
and I have been asked to do this from one client , thankfully not this one .
Toulouse is right down in the lower mid left of France , not far from the border of Spain .
I do not like driving on the left anymore , I have done it many times in the past , but as you get older you find it more tiresome .
I may have another job in the south of France later this year or early next year .
It all depends on costings . and if I am too busy pulling the back log of work that is always coming in .
I have a couple of days left in November which will have to be local work then my next days is in December .
This past two days I have spent at the Ivanhoe social club in Ashby de la zouch .
I was asked to come back and re-stretch the 5 snooker tables that I re-covered last year .
and to attend to a set of leathers and use a few older leathers that where good on other tables and replace some nets .
cushions off then take out tacks to re-stretch the bed cloths
during the stretching , I use a line to guide me to keep the spots in center of table .
this keeps an even re-stretch and also helps with marking out for new Baulk line and D plus spots .
one thing I like to point out to anyone asking for these metal type ball rails .
when balls fall down on the ring they split the nets easy , this net was replaced only 12 months ago yet it has split open
there is a solution to stop this happening .
Plastic rails are much better for the nets , a ball falling down is not trapping and hitting the net against a hard metal edge so the nets last much longer .
and a reason why most Snooker clubs have these plastic rails fitted rather than the metal ones .
it costs around £55 to change a set of nets , if they wear out every year then that is an extra £55 per table .
3 of these 5 tables have these plastic rails it is not often that I need to change a net on these three tables yet the other two do have problems with the metal rails splitting nets .
I will be advising a new set of rails for the other two tables on the next re-cover .
Leathers though do take some hammer , and require more attention than nets .
this table above with new leathers is the most used and I am always changing the leathers on this table more so than any of the other 4 tables in the club .
I have been putting some tape padding on the brass pocket plate under the leather to try and make them last a bit longer before splitting but it is just more use on this table than any other that wears them out quicker .
once a leather has split and the brass edge is showing they damage the balls , and with good balls starting at around £120 per set you do not want to have to have the extra cost of replacement of Balls every year .
Ivan who now looks after the tables and took over from Alan , is doing a very good job of keeping the tables clean , and reports of any leather or net wear so that it is taken care of at re-cover or re-stretch time and not left to damage balls .
In fact the Ivanhoe club has always looked after their tables , and is one of the top clubs that I visit that the tables are not covered in dust and the nap fluff balling up through lack of maintenance .
out of the hundreds of Clubs that I visit , and I rate the Ivanhoe in the top ten for looking after their tables , and the snooker players of Ashby and surrounding district would be troubled to find a better club or venue to play snooker .
all 5 tables re-stretched bed cloths and ready to play
Where would you find a social club with 5 tables like these to play on .
all Riley Imperial tables and 2 inch thick welsh slated tables with modern Aristocrat wood cushions .
and high comfy padded seating around the room ,and modern High frequency white lighting .
anyone interested in joining this club call 01530 412438 . it is based just behind the car wash on Wilfreds Place LE65 2GW
it is Ashby de la zouch’s best kept secret !
Just got back from a two day job leaving Nottingham to High Wycombe to dismantle a full size Karnehm and Hillman snooker table .
at the same time as dismantle to save time on the install , we stripped and re-covered the cushion cloth .
the table was advertised on our website by Keya , who required the room for other purpose .
as you can see the cloth was faded and the table did require a re-cover in Strachan 6811 tournament 30 oz cloth .
also the leathers where loose and Ben who had bought the table decided to also have new nets and leathers fitted .
Steve set off from Lincoln at 5 am to come over to me at Nottingham , We left Long Eaton near Nottingham at 6.30 am and arrived in High Wycombe around 9am .
we stripped the table down and re-covered the cushions at this stage as we find this saves valuable time on the install .
then we loaded the dismantled full size snooker table onto our van . we left High Wycombe at 12 o’clock midday .
As you can see a stripped down table fits nicely into our van and is well within the weight limits of this van loaded with two people and tools .
when we arrived in Littlehampton on the south coast around 2.15 pm in the afternoon , Ben was going to supply 4 men to help lift each slate upstairs at around 3 to 3.30pm .
but he mentioned as we arrived that he had a disabled lift installed but it had a weight limit of 250kg , now these modern slates made in italy are not the normal 2 inch thick Welsh type weighing 200kg each , but only Italian 1.3/4 inch thick and weigh in at 170kg , I worked out that because Ben was the lightest person there at around 65 to 70kg if he could hold the slate off the sides , and keep his hand on the up lift button then we could use the lift , and myself and Steve would load and unload them off the lift .
as you can see the lift worked out the best way to get all 5 slates upstairs without the need for the extra 4 men to come over .
as you can see 4 slates on the frame and one to go . Steve posing in this shot .
all five slates on the table is level and we attend to slate joints all by 4.30 pm .
Bed cloth is laid onto table and is ready to tack on by 5 pm , the cloth of choice the highly used in the billiard industry is the UK made Strachan 6811 Tournament 30 oz cloth .
Bed cloth on and we retire for the day to our overnight Hotel just 3 mile up the road .
we did well to get this far on day one , I was aiming just to get the slates on , the table level and slate joints filled and sanded ready for fitting of the bed cloth the next morning .
We managed to get the bed cloth fitted and three of the pocket nets and leathers changed , to put us a head of the game for the next days work .
the finished table , and all by 11am the next Day , with new nets leathers and rail straps fitted .
we left at 11am and was back in Nottingham by 2.35pm , which enabled Steve to be back in Lincoln by 4pm .
Ben had also purchased some long extending rests and cues , 2 cross rests and a spider bridge rest , a new set of Tournament Champion balls .
new lighting two wall cue racks , and he is buying a Dowsing UK made table iron and a good quality pure bristle Peradon table brush , plus a
Peradon fitted black table cover .
as you can see the table came out well and suits this modern room , from a badly faded cloth to a brand new re-cover and new leathers and nets
I like these Karnehm and Hillman tables , they are what I call a no nonsense table easy to work on , and they have been manufactured using good quality wood and hand floated slates .
I am moving a 10 foot version of this on the 28th of this month from Maidstone in Kent to Worcestershire for another client , in fact I move a lot of these types of tables .
they made them in their thousands during the 1980’s to 1990’s before closing down , a shame really as they where very good at manufacturing tables .
all though this one was a Square legged version they also made them in turned leg and carved tulip design called the Buckingham model .
some people prefer the clean lines of the square legged version and they do not collect dust like a turned leg one could .
just for comparison
A Buckingham tulip design carved leg with side scrolls and the plain turned leg without scrolls
As you can see they had the same design cushions with buttons and Italian slate , so when people say they have a better table just because it has turned legs amuses me .
they all play the same as the upper half is the same .
the only difference is the lower half of the leg and the scrolls added each side of the leg .
in fact straight square legs are more sturdy made tables having no dowels to turn leg and upper leg block to become loose .
we are Extremely grateful to our client Ben , who looked after us well as booking the Hotel with meals and providing us with drinks all day , and the use of his newly installed lift which made life a bit more easier for us not having to carry the slate upstairs .
It amazes me that only a few years ago the Billiard and snooker industry looked like it was going pear shaped and work was hard to come by .
in fact I was put on a three day week in my last employers charge around 7 years ago .
And was often reminded by this employer that work was hard to come by and that I would find it very hard to establish a successful business in the billiard snooker and pool table maintenance industry .
I would have agreed with him at that time as we where experiencing a down turn in work , but something inside me kept telling me to carry on and try it for myself , I was not going to waste nearly 36 years of Time served Billiard fitters Experience .
I started GCL billiards 6 years ago now and with each year the bookings have increased , Pool is very popular and snooker is now fighting back in popularity .
many Qualified Billiard fitters have retired or left he industry in the down fall of work without training new blood up , it is hard to keep young people interested in work when all they want to do is play on their i phones all day , this makes finding a billiard fitter with free time almost an impossible task .
And at GCL billiards we are currently looking at November the 13th as our next free time to take in work , I have the first week and the last week of November already booked out .
with the rest of September and all of October booked out there is no free time to fit anything in now .
I am sorry for any inconvenience to future clients wishing to use GCL Billiards as their choice to carry out work on their cue sports table .
Some people seem to think I just do not want the work and one lady left me a bad feedback on google because I could not fit her in which I found most unfair , but it is a case of I simply cannot let people down who have booked me to do work to let someone in early or jump the waiting list so to speak .
I do work the occasional weekend Saturday , but I also have commitments on some of these Saturdays .
Please by all means continue to inquire about my availability , but be prepared to have to wait a few weeks to get a free slot , unless I have a cancellation which is very rare .
below a few photo’s of what we actually do .
sometimes we find ways of making lifting slates that much easier .
the other alternative is by hard graft
we get some people asking for other coloured cloth such as this upstairs install .
or printed designs on cloth , this is butlins skegness .
now and again we get asked to open up pocket openings and if possible do it without recovering the cushions .
or to template size such as this opening on a set of Burroughs and watts steel cushions .
carried out at the same time as a re-cover .
We are also a specialist in table removal transport and re-erect ,do not trust this type of work to a man and a van
from fitting new rubber to cushions and shaping curve and undercut
setting table up in the correct position .
Even american pool tables are no bother to our experience of a vast range of table designs
to exquisite Billiard rooms
to large snooker clubs
and UK pool tables .
I have just completed a return to St Johns snooker club in Bloxwich in the west midlands .
I first did this clubs tables in August 2015 and they asked me for a better cloth to play on , at the time Strachan had brought out a lightweight 29 oz version of it’s popular Tournament cloth
which they do in three weights , 32 oz thick and slow but lasts longer , 30 oz the normal grade that is a happy medium of faster cloth but yet still retaining good wear qualities , and 29oz , shaved nap a little closer for speed , and OK for use in clubs that get moderate wear such as St Johns .
I do have problems getting hold of this 29 oz cloth , Strachan had problems with the weaving and shaving machine in Stroud where they manufacture the cloth .
Lucky for us most choose the 30 oz for more use .
but at St Johns they where delighted with the speed of the tables using this 29 oz version and asked for it again .
it took me around 8 weeks to source it through Peradon’s but I finally got hold of a few bed cloths .
I use 30 oz on the cushions with this 29 oz as so not to disturb the Cloth retaining thickness and give the cushions some extra wear nap .
St johns first table though the door with cloth off showing the 1 inch thick slates .
these tables are upstairs and all three tables have thin slates , I guess they did not wish to carry full thickness slates upstairs .
when the firm who supplied the table sold them to St johns Church snooker club .
checking level on the tables .
Far table completed and someone is polishing their balls in the back ground !
three tables at St johns the center table does not get much use so this was left this time .
The two outside tables where the only ones getting a full recover in Strachan tournament 29 oz on bed and 30 oz on cushions .
After one of the clubs committee queried the cloth used as they looked on the Strachan web site and could not find Tournament 29oz , I have visited the Strachan web site and it states they do a 29 oz club cloth but no 29 oz tournament , I can assure the club and the two people who where their the two blue lines running through the side of the cloth and the embroidered Tournament stitched into the cloth , proved they do make tournament in 29 oz .
I do not supply club cloth and never will as there is very little cost to be saved on a full size recover if you use Club cloth maybe around £20 per table .
I value my reputation and my clients trust me to use the best so I order only tournament cloth and never use Club cloth on Snooker tables .
UNLESS a client asks for it , then I have to order it in as I never keep it in stock .
I will be contacting Strachan to see if they have made a mistake in their listing of the 29 oz and they should have stated tournament and not club .
Peradon list it as lightweight tournament and not 29oz .
2nd Table ready for play .
I have a client who wishes to sell a full size solid oak Riley Hybrid Viceroy / Imperial Billiard table . for offers around £600 for a quick sale .
I say Viceroy / Imperial as this table I noted has the viceroy deep arches but the Imperial slide in cushion panels .
the Viceroys I normally work on have a thicker slanted slide in cushion panel .
so that is why I say a hybrid Viceroy / Imperial model table .
also the deep arches are not as deep as some viceroys but a lot deeper than the shallow arch of the Riley Imperial model .
so maybe an imperial with deeper arches, a Riley customer option that they may have asked for ?
as you can see this table is solid 1/4 sawn English oak
the sun has faded the lower parts to the legs .
a nice selection of period rests are to be seen here too.
You may notice that the table will require a full re-cover and maybe new rubber , and nets and leathers .
but the wood is in very good order . it depends how you wish to go about any restoration work , from minimum as is to full or part recondition .
but the table is as seen for offers around £600 buyer to arrange dismantle and removal , the table is on ground floor .
these tables look very good in Barn conversions .
If anyone would like an estimate for GCL billiards to travel and pick this table up and do any work required then deliver and set back up , then please contact Geoff through our email
email@example.com to discuss this .
all inquiries for this table to Geoff Large at GCL billiards .
an original advert for the Riley Viceroy circa 1920s
Even Walter Lindrum played on a viceroy as the table of his choice for his Home in Australia .
Another viceroy I put together for another client , I put this photo in to show just how sturdy these tables are .
another viceroy i put together this one also in Wales for another client , note the thick slate pads under each leg on this one ,
this client had these put in as he was a tall player and suffered from a bad back playing on low tables .
and yet another Viceroy I worked on in the Cotswold’s .
an imperial frame , note the shallow arches of the imperial model .
same leg as a viceroy , just not got the deep arches of the viceroy .
they even made 8ft and 9ft Riley viceorys .