For sale Old Palmer of London Billiard table circa mid to late 19th century …. just £199 Bargain !

We have a client in east Brifdgeford Nottingham who wishes to sell their very old billiards table at just £199
Why so little you may ask ?
well My client is in need of the room and Snooker tables do not sell quickly so this one is priced to sell .
I know the history of this table having worked on it for many years in the club that it came out of in East Bridgeford called the King Edward club .
this table was moved not far away to a bungalow I think just around the corner .
my current client inherited the table with the home purchase , and after a few years now requires the space rather than the billiard table .
I am not sure but I think this table has 4 sections of slate rather than 5 the norm but may have three section ?  , this because around 1830 they where 3 section beds .
in 1840’s to 1860’s they became 4 section then as slate got thicker to 5 sections towards the end of the 1880’s .

as you can see a very attractive old table in mahogany .
the table has some History

a range of cues a set of balls triangle and other accessories like rest’s are included
also the modern 1990’s round storage rack .

the lighting is also included and comes in three section pool table lighting and a total of 9 light bulb’s.

Below is a brief History of Palmer & sons , I suspect the original Author to be Peter Ainsworth a well know billiards Historian .
and this rendition was gleaned from that history report of Peter’s.
not by myself may I add .

Palmer & Sons were a a very well known billiard table manufacturer during the 19th century and early 20th century.The firm was established in 1830 and had a base in Borough High Street London. The owner and founder was John Palmer. When old enough his son James John Palmer joined the family business and the firm became Palmer & Son.Later towards the end of the last century John Palmer passed away and James John by now a father himself brought his offspring George Walter and Frederick Charles into the business which then became Palmer & Sons.In 1900 James John Palmer retired and George Walter Palmer continued to control the business until it was liquidated in 1936. The business had traded for over a 100 years.After the first World War there was a significant decline in the domestic trade and sales to private houses plummeted.Additionally laws were brought in to restrict the Licensing hours of public houses. The decision was taken for Palmer & Sons to concentrate on the commercial billiard saloons , todays snooker clubs.Thus a partnership was struck with a certain Robert Alexander Dickson a slate merchant from Bermondsey. This partnership managed to open three clubs in the London area.The company became a limited liability partnership and was called the Lordship Lane Billiard Halls Company Ltd. The name was derived from the first and most profitable of the saloons. Unfortunately this company came to an end in 1936.The demise of Palmer & Sons mirrored the fate of many smaller long established London firms in the trade. The main reason for this was the manor in which society was changing in the 1930’s. Individuals had started to own Cars and Bikes , this enabled people to go away at weekends and take part in other activities. There was an upsurge in gambling linked to racecourses and greyhound tracks – all of which contributed to falling attendance at the saloons.Its important to remember that for the most part these clubs did not serve alcohol or offer any catering. They survived purely based on the interest in the game of billiards alone.The boom years were at an end and George Walter Palmer decided to liquidate the business and advise his children that the future lay in working in the City.Palmer & Son(s) made many fine tables and its a testament to their inherent quality that a number still exist today in very good condition. Nice examples continue to fetch significant prices.Significant prices they did make during the boom years of 1980 to 2000 , but not today in this day and age , Old billiard tables are not high on the list of must have’s .
Home cinema rooms or Video games screens are high on the list today , virtual snooker rather than actually playing the game .things may turn around and it is table’s like this one that must be saved and treasured , and in time who knows it will become a national treasure .
not many of these old tables have survived .
A rare opportunity to find one in this condition .
But please note this is a Victorian period Billiards table with top plate pocket plates and thin cushion wood capping’s , hard fast shots into the pcokets are suspect to bounce back onto the table  , especially to the middle pockets .
as is the norm on most older tables manufactured before the 1970’s .

Another FREE Full size table near Grantham Lincolnshire……NOW GONE TAKEN >>>>>

 

NOW GONE >>>>> NOT AVAILABLE ANY MORE .

The table was only on for one day before it was claimed for free , and believe it or not to a village that is only 3.5 mile away from my clients village .
The person who is having it has agreed to have GCL billiards to remove and deliver the table and erect it , then at a later date go for a re-rubber and re-cover .

 

We do get these offers of free tables now and again and they go pretty quick especially in this condition of woodwork .
keep a look out for more bargains direct from seller to buyer , or in this case a FREE table to a person looking for a table .
this has enabled the person to spend what they would have buying a table , to renovating the playing surface and replacing the rubber .
the cost of removing a table and delivering it is always going to be there though , if you buy or get a table at low money of FREE . That part of the work is not FREE I’m afraid .

 

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We have a client who wishes to give away a free full size snooker table , this table is at the top of his Garden in a separate Games Room
boards will have to be laid on the grass to wheel the slates to a parked van .
We put this table in a couple of years back , and due to our clients busy schedule as a TV sports presenter Journalist he just does not have the time to do the table justice .
as he is  out and about from Home reporting for a well known TV channel .
We got this table for our client as a free table around two years ago  and he paid us to collect it and deliver and install it .
from memory the cloth on the bed looks OK , but I think the cushion rebound was not good or at least could be better , so could do with a re-rubber
but you could have that done at a later date , the table is good to go as it is and be played on .

the polish does have a few marks on it , but generally this is what we call good condition
the table is circa 1930s to 1960s .
So will have a few age related marks , it came from a private house previously , so I do not think it has had any commercial use .
It will come with the range of accessories that is in the photo ‘s
Long rest and cue , end rests . rest hooks , scoreboard . cue racks and cues .

I think anyone would be happy to have a free table in this condition .
just pay for removal and delivery and set up , and it’s your’s .

As you can see the cloth is all right for now , and due to cost of removal and delivery ,
I suggest anyone go for it as it is , then at a later date consider a re-rubber , re-cover .
Geoff at GCL billiards can guide you on a price for this .

you may also wish to have new nets and leathers fitted , but some like the old antique look of old leather .
provided they are not worn through where the ball hits the plate then they will be OK as they are .

there is even a fitted table cover dust sheet .

A good range of cues and two wall racks .

and a Scoreboard .

ALL INQUIRES to Geoff & Carol at GCL billiards by email.
I will be happy to pass on any genuine interest in this table to our client .

contact
c.large@btinternet.com

Stapleford Cue Club , re-cover plus new nets and leathers fitted on full size snooker table .

Been over to Stapleford cue club on Derby Road Stapleford Nottinghamshire today .
About 3 mile from my own house .
and one of the best little Snooker clubs around to play snooker or pool in .
6 full size snooker tables and 4 Supreme pool tables , all very well cared for , Run by a Cue sport Player for cue sport players.

My work was to re-cover a full size snooker table , a Riley club table circa 1930’s / 1950s with modern Riley Aristocrat standard cushions .
A table that we sourced a couple of years ago from a Long Eaton club closing down as seen below .

And replaced a BCE copy table that was not really up to The owner Jed’s standard so did not take much persuading to have this table put in .
it is an upgrade table with good welsh slate  and plays very nice with the modern cushions and pockets .

New Strachan 6811 tournament 30 oz and new nets and leathers fitted .
the lads at this cue club get pampered as this table was only re-covered around 18 months ago , just shows with regular  recovering and good maintenance this table gets plenty of use .
Jed is not afraid to bring a table in for a re-cover where other clubs may try and get another 6 months wear out of a cloth , when its ready it is ready says Jed .
it is one of the best tables to play on in Nottingham .
as near to match play as you can get for a standard none steel cushioned table .
not that Stapleford cue club lacks steel cushioned tables , they also have two full size match play steel cushioned tables .
and three more full size Riley standard tables .

10 x 5 Padmore snooker billiard table for sale in Lincolnshire ….Offers

PRIVATE SALE direct from seller advertised through GCL BILLIARDS web site only .

*** Please note this table does not belong to GCL billiards you are buying direct from the seller .
if bought you could then contact GCL billiards for a price to relocate the table .

 

We have a client who wishes to sell their Padmore’s of Birmingham  10 foot by 5 foot billiard table , Condition as seen in photo’s

the table is in use at this moment in time so a viewing is recommended if possible .

as you can see Rests , balls , triangle , an old place on hob cast iron , a good quality pure bristle brush .
an old wall cue rack with a few missing clips which can be sourced on ebay as replacements .
A few cues ,and a period scoreboard is included in the sale .

a very rare to find size that does not come onto the market very often .
this is the size that everyone wants that cannot fit a full size in but could manage a table 2 foot smaller .
you still require a room 20 foot by 15 foot for this 10ft table to have enough cue room all the way around .
as you can 6 turned bulbous legs , with reeded knee panels , the cushions having buttons covering the bolt holes .
My client knows the current market prices being paid for tables , so a good reasonable offer will be accepted .

all inquiries to Geoff Large at GCL billiards at

c.large@btinternet.com

I will forward any serious buyers to our client , please use GCL billiards to get a quote to relocate the table
we are close by to the tables location  over the Lincolnshire Nottingham border in Long Eaton .
so we are in a good position to pick this table up for delivery .

Full size snooker table for sale turned leg modern circa 1980s onwards

FOR SALE £250 for full size snooker table .

We have a client in Edenbridge Kent area
who wishes to sell their full size snooker table circa 1980s onward , this modern table has modern large broad bow pocket plates .

I should think that all accessories  including the lighting shade is with the table at just £250 all in .

Not sure on cloth condition , this is something any buyer would have to find out if on a budget for a table as a re-cover is £440
nets and leathers look OK .

a dust cover is also included .
Any buyer is responsible for arranging dismantle and erection of the table , a price for this could be arranged through GCL billiards  for dismantle and load , then traveling then unload and set up , plus miles round trip , and any overnight stop over B&B + EM  if required for two fitters if travelling and fitting  is not possible in one day .
We would require full address and post code if table is going in on ground floor no steps or up or down stairs basement or loft upstairs area .
the table is based on the ground floor at the moment .
all inquiries to

c.large@btinternet.com

American 9ft pool table install re-rubber and cover near Wolverhampton .

I have just visited Ian near Wolverhampton .
Ian contacted me to set up his 9ft American pool table in his very well built extension .
He had custom lighting and all top quality materials for the re-rubber and cover .
plus a very expensive lighting unit .


I arrived and with Ian’s help quickly assembled the under frame work and legs plus placed the slate on the frame and the rough leveling .
I then started to strip down the cushions for the re-rubber , and clean the blocks up of old glue ready for the new rubber to be attached .

this is where I first encountered my first problem , the new rubber which was match play standard did not align up with the half round molding on the block work .

Some fitters would have walked away at this stage , or refitted the old rubber back on !

A 10 minute think and the solution was to plane the half round molding off the block work and make some half round molding and fasten on in the correct place to suit the new rubber profile .
so a quick trip to B&Q we found some dowel we could plane down to use as the half round molding .
This set us back a couple of hours but you take the rough with the smooth as they say in this line of work .
once I had re-rubbered the cushions , formed the angles and covered the cushions , we started back on the slate bed for the fine leveling and filling of slate joints to make smooth .

cloth is now laid on ready to staple and stretch down

Stretching to the cloths full amount of possible stretch  is a must for a tight cloth , here the center pocket falls are formed .
you cannot have any wrinkles around the fall areas .
Stretching these american cloths onto such large pocket falls  is much harder than stretching wool napped cloth on a full size snooker table .
Quality cloth is a must and I recommend either this Simonis 860 or Strachan Super Pro speed or even Hainsworth Elite Pro speed cloth  , these three cloths seem to form better around the falls .
one cloth you should be very wary of is the Euro pool brand , it is like stretching cardboard on , it will put blisters on your knuckles stretching that thick euro pool cloth on .
for around £20 to £40 saving from the quality brands , it just is not worth fitting these thick cardboard type cloths on , and I refuse all jobs that would have me fit it .
You often see this cloth in Bowling alley pool tables , it marks easy and looks a mess within weeks , you may have noticed the white burn ball skid acceleration marks appearing on them .
A wool mix cloth is far better than a high percentage of  man made fiber one .

the cloth fully stretched out and stapled down , and skirts in place  to cover pocket staples
you may notice some damp patches around the pocket areas ,this is spray on starch , these will dry out  , a trick that most American pool table  fitters now use , I also spray the entire bed cloth with starch and even iron the bed cloth after fitting , this to prevent slackening off of cloth over the future months , a common problem with speed cloths .

The cloth of choice was Iwan Simonis 860 .

Aligning the cushions up using the 6ft straight edge , it is important especially for shots to go down the side cushions to not be deflected out by none alignment of side cushions , these must be kept parallel to each other with NO V shape in or out and both nose’s of rubber in alignment .

the finished table .


a few practice shots to make sure our client Ian is happy with the table .

Ian plays a 8 ball game is the shape of a diamond racking

nice new shiny Aramith pro balls

this is a very expensive triangle that Ian had shipped over from the USA

Ian also arranged to have a very expensive light fitting unit above the table shipped over from the USA .
I must say this is the first time I have ever seen one of these , it looks very nice .

the table Ian had installed is a Longoni manufacture and is a copy of the USA made Brunswick Gold Crown as seen at Butlins in Skegness in above photo .
I will say this , the Longoni is a better built table using better materials than the Brunswick that I have worked on .
but to be fair these Butlins tables have taken some hammer over the many years they have been constantly played on .

For sale offers around £250 Riley full size snooker table square leg Regis model …..quick sale required in November .

PLEASE READ DESCRIPTION BELOW ,

THE ABOVE ADVERT PHOTO IN BLUE CLOTH FOR SHOW ONLY

IT IS NOT THIS TABLE FOR SALE , BUT ONE IDENTICAL , THE  SAME MAKE SAME MODEL , AND HOW IT COULD LOOK .

AS ALWAYS WE RECOMMEND A VIEWING IF YOU ARE NOT SURE .

We have a client who is moving house and the Snooker  Table has to go very quickly so be quick and you could get a full size snooker table for very low money .
this table has to go before the end of November beginning of December .
all accessories that are in the room are to go with the table balls cues rests and shade and scoreboard .
The table is based in Daventry and at the moment I only have photo’s with all toys and stuff stored on it but I have attached a library photo of what the table looks like but it has green cloth on it .
It will require a re-cover so please take  this into account when buying the table .

as you can or cannot see in this instance the table is covered in all sorts of things , our client is busy parceling up all this for  a house move and clearance , looks like the snooker room is the sorting room .
I have been assured it will be accessible and ready to dismantle with a clear pathway to the van that it is being loaded into .

This is not the table but an identical one
The Riley Regis square leg in light mahogany , this one has blue cloth but our selling clients has green cloth on it , but we cannot see the condition of the cloth to comment if it is ok .
£250 buyer arranges collection .
you could arrange GCL Billiards to collect for you and we would be happy to quote you , please all inquiries to email .
the Regis is a very good table ,

as you can see the table above having been transformed with a new Strachan 6811 tournament 30 oz cloth in Royal blue .
the table for sale will also scrub up well with a new cloth and maybe a new set of nets and leathers if required .
the table at the moment does require a re-cover to bring up tot his level , GCL Billiards could quote for any work you may require .
the table is being sold privately from our selling client based in Daventry .
The table does not belong to GCL Billiards , it does not come with anew blue cloth on it but sold as seen from the photo with all the toys and stuff stored on top of it
at the moment our client cannot clear the room for a photo of the actual table to give a better view .
but the room will be cleared for the table to be collected .

c.large@btinternet.com .

 

Full size snooker table Collect and Install for RAF Waddington

We where instructed to dismantle and remove an old billiard table for recycle and then transport a full size Riley Aristocrat from Stoke on Trent over to RAF Waddington for install .
this work was organised over a matter of a couple of months , as anyone who has dealings with any of our armed services would expect , these things have to be discussed by committees and get the stamp of approval .
I have worked on the old table in the RAF Waddington’s Officers Mess for many years and yes it had seen better days .
David contacted me and asked if I knew of any Riley Aristocrats that where for sale , and just by coincidence I had just put a private sale one up for sale on my web site .
John from stoke had contacted me , he had moved into a split level bungalow and inherited a snooker table with the sale and they had no use for it .

I put buyer and seller together to thrash out a price for the table , this is how I work at GCL Billiards we do not carry our own stock but prefer to sell direct from sellers house to buyers house and the buyer uses GCL Billiards we hope to move and install the table , of which we quote for before they arrange to buy .
I have been in the Billiards and snooker maintenance business for over 40 years and believe me gone are the days of large firms stocking tables and selling them , this is the way most table sales are now conducted .
Priced sensibly and taking into account the removal and deliver install costs they do sell this way far better than on Ebay where they can go months without any one buying .
We know that anyone seeing a table on our web site will more than likely choose GCL billiards to move it , it is like buying and not having to search around for transport or a qualified firm to install it .

and it means GCL Billiards do not have large stocks of hard to sell full size snooker tables taking up space in a costly rented warehouse with rates and electricity ,  all our stocks are direct from seller to buyer , no middleman fees to pay .
So what’s in it of us ?
where do we make our money ?
on the basis that most buyers use GCL billiards to collect the table and deliver and install . We charge for that experienced workmanship .
Geoff Large A qualified time served billiards fitter with over 40 years personal served  experience and a right hand man in my mate Steve who has worked with me for around 14 years now to help the move .

As you could see the table was in very good order in the basement room of our sellers split level Bungalow , but with good access from the rear Driveway at ground level to load up .
on dismantle I noticed that the table did not have any of the new adjustable brackets that support the center section of the slate and the bearers where not touching or supporting the slate bed .
so I reported this to David at RAF Waddington who sanctioned for the fitting of these brackets at an extra cost to improve the table .
And I did find when I assembled the table that it did actually have a slight dip in the center of the slate and these brackets adjusted the support upwards and rectified this problem with just a few turns of 6 bolts .

Photo of one of the brackets fitted , the adjustment bolt and a few turns lift the beam upwards to deflect any warp or sagging that may be present in the slates .
we have been modifying most table that we fit with these brackets as it does help maintain a true level and most importantly prevents table slate sagging .
A common occurrence of the many table manufactured in the 1970’s 80’s onward .
most tables these days do have the adjustable brackets on them , but this has only been in the last 10 years that we have seen this .
so when buying a table just look under the table for these brackets on the center slate supports .

as you can see the cloth was in extremely good condition , hardly played on and I was told it had had a recent re-cover from the previous owners who John bought the Bungalow from .
the polish capping’s surround  where also in very good condition hardly a scratch on them which you do get from belt buckles .
This table was sold for just £500 , A trader from Sheffield  was after it for resale , but John sold it to the RAF and was very happy that the Officers Mess  had the table , Johns relative was also in the RAF and he was more than happy to inform the other Snooker Trader buyers it was sold and held onto it for a couple of months while payment was sorted out by David , what with holidays and people being away from the base this took a few weeks , but the day finally came together this week for GCL Billiards to collect and install .

all that is required now is new lighting , we have recommended two 1200 x 600 LED light panels with hanging kits available on line for around £60 per panel .
some tables even have three of these side ways on . hung around  6 ft from the bed .