We have a client who wishes to sell a full size Karnehm and Hillman snooker table
condition is fair faded cloth and wood on one end .
all accessories in photo included including shade
as you can see the table is in good all round condition apart from some sun fading to wood at this end and cloth discoloration , but most would have it re-clothed anyway .
and it is priced to sell at just £250 .
~the table also has a BCE type scoreboard .,
the nets and leathers look in very good order .
photo from other end , polish is more darker this end
this is the faded wood end , not bad really and you will always get this in a private home the sun shines through a window or patio door as in this case and fades the wood .
in a snooker hall there is no windows and no fading but the table in a hall gets more hammer and use
The table ideally has to go by April
all inquiries to Carol or Geoff
we will pass on any genuine inquiries for this table which is based in Buckinghamshire
if you require a quote to pick this table up and delivery assemble and maybe a re-cloth then also get in touch with Geoff at GCL billiards .
SOLD TO TRADE BUYER ….. YOU MISSED YOUR CHANCE TO BUY THEM AT VERY REASONABLE MONEY .
now a trader has bought them to sell on at much more money .
We have a set of brass billiard lights made by Christopher wray lighting emporium in the 1980s .
these retailed at around £1700 just for the main light when new .
and the wall lights would have been over £300 each .
and very rare to find matching wall lights X 3 is also included .
Regarded as the best replica Victorian gas style lighting ever sold .
some very ornate brass work and three fixing points rather than the bad one fixing points of copies of this light that where also hitting the market at the same period .
My client is asking for £650 for the complete set and it is based in North wales , but may be able to deliver if close by or on his run back and forth to London
a more close up photo showing detail
the three wall lights are on the far table in this photo
Metal shades rather than the Glass type , glass ones used to break when you used the long tackle , and lifted it on and off breaking the glass shades ,
causing damage to the bed cloth from falling sharp glass , so we do not recommend you buying a Victorian style lighting with glass shades , this one has been supplied with or upgraded to those metal painted shades .
Glass may look nice but they are dangerous to have .
as an example this light with glass shades is available on ebay at £250 second hand .
so you can see what value you are buying with the full size version.
GLASS is bad above a snooker or Pool table
all inquiries for the lights to Carol or Geoff Large at
April update My selling client says the table and the bench seat can go for £5000 buyer collects , which is a bit of a Bargain for such a rare table . Try finding a raise and fall full size Billiard table for sale on the open market at such a low price .
Extremely rare opportunity to acquire what can only be described as the holy grail of billiard tables .
We have a client who is based on the Wirrel in Heswall . and she has a very rare full sized billiard diner , the make I think is of George Wright manufacture circa pre 1895 . The tops are stored in a modern made bench seat storage which makes this an even more attractive buy .
The rarity of this 12ft dining billiard table must be pointed out , because you will see plenty of 6ft 7ft & 8ft and maybe a few 9ft dining billiard tables but as you get to the larger sized tables they become more difficult to find as they would be special commissioned tables. and not normally on a firms brochure to buy off the shelf so to speak . I know of one modern firm who made a full size dining table for a special order but this was done using the Riley type lifters this table has a very expensive and complicated wind up crank type that has telescopic legs , a much more complicated to make table and therefore not low priced when it was manufactured around the 1890’s .
The underside of the table has 4 anti bow muntin beams , plus double cross section beams , the gearing bars is in a U shaped steel girder that runs around the perimeter of the frame , and the top of the legs have the gears inside connected by these gearing bars . I know this because I have actually taken a 4 leg 9ft version of this table apart that had this same gearing mechanism , but slightly different in that the extending tube came out at the top of the leg this table has it coming out at the base of the leg , if you look where the bulbous reading of the leg stops you will see the round tube like shape , this extends when you crank the table thus lifting the table up or down . The rise and fall system is not working at the moment , I can put this down into why and maybe solutions
A ) the cogs may have lost some teeth , this is what happened to the 9ft table which only had 4 legs , the cogs are made from bronze and this is a weak point in these tables . the solution was to get some made at an engineering firm in steel one set was taken as a pattern to do this by the owner . this is the worse case scenario as it would be difficult in tracking down an engineer who could do this work , I would suggest a steam engine engineer who has a metal lathe and used to making pattern gearing .
B) a slight less of a problem , the drive cogs have sheared the fixing slit pins and the gears are are spinning on the drive shafts . simple fix drive new pins in after drilling broken pins out It would not be impossible to have the gears fixed and we are only speculating what is wrong with the lifting mechanism , nothing can be confirmed until the slates are off and the gears can be inspected from above the U shape channel and boxed leg sections . Our seller says the table worked perfectly 2 years ago , it maybe that who ever put it together may not have connected the gearing correct of maybe dry of grease .
Now the cushions used to have top plates fitted to them , these have been filled in and standard concealed type plates fitted at some stage in it’s life , this may be due to the dining tops not aligning on the top plates and the cushion cappings and made better by fitting concealed plates
As I have stated the table will come with a very nice bench seat that was made around 1980s /90s , it is used to store the tops when the table is being used to play on , a very neat little trick and a must for any table top billiard diner as it solves the problem of where do we put the tops under the table is the normal answer , but they often get damaged when doing this .
The problem with claiming a makers name to the table is , who ever renovated it removed the ivory name plate on the end cushions , but from leg design of reeded , and the fact it has the rise and fall system that George wright used and patented , then I can be pretty sure it is a George Wright table .
Price ? What do you value a table that can only be described as like finding the holy grail . Try finding another 12ft full sized Dining billiard table for sale anywhere in the world , especially an antique one circa 1890’s . you may get a modern table made but not using the gearing system used here , unless you are willing to spend over £30.000. on a bespoke joinery made one , I doubt any billiard table manufacturer would take on a project as their normal run of assembly relies on same measurements and fixing methods , any special order like a full sized billiard dining table would be bespoke hand made . and to be honest some of these smaller bespoke joinery firms do not know how to make a billiard table in the first place , I have seen some shocking efforts made on design rather than functionality hit the market recently .
From the Antique specialist firms we have Hamiltons who may be the only one’s I know who may have one on their stock , if not they know where to find me . I know what a firm like Hamiltons would ask for this table . all their prices are POA if you look on their web site . So what I am proposing to do is first ask you the buyer what you would pay for it . A so very rare table that comes onto the market in what I think is in very good condition , except for the lifting system needs an overall , any engineering firm or small steam locomotive engineer could repair this system . The table is very heavy framed as it has some sectional U steel in it’s construction .
offers from private and trade will be considered ,
And we do urge the trade to come forward and offer a deal that is acceptable to both our client and themselves that is fair , Geoff at GCL billiards have advised the seller as to possible values trade wise and private , and what the table could fetch if fully functional and working . the sale is not what is best for GCL billiards , but what is best for our client who has put their trust in us to find a buyer within the next few months . I was extremely excited at the prospect of seeing a full sized Billiard dining table as I had only seen the odd one in books and not one in the flesh . this table did not disappoint me . You should look at this table as an investment , because the way the market is at the moment the table can be bought at a very good buy in price especially for trade . the table will seat a large amount of people , so is ideal for a large Victorian Edwardian house , and if you look at my next coming soon advert I can also put any buyer onto a repro Brass Victorian christopher wray lighting system for this table …. with matching wall lights .
Offers for this table to Geoff
or contact Geoff at GCL billiards . 07753466064 weekdays and early evenings only . please leave a message if no one answers I may be hands on fitting tables .
This is the story of an early Mawson billiards table being relocated to a village just outside Peebles in Scotland , a two day job was the schedule to relocate the table which had to come downstairs and then back upstairs . This was not so bad as it had very thin slates and did not weigh that much . an ideal table for upstairs location . we set out on the 28th of January to Sheffield to pick the table up and load it Blanket wrapped onto our van . Then it was off to Scotland .
We made our way through the Scottish borders to arrive at our clients home around 2pm , just in time for a well deserved coffee and unload of frame and set up , ready for some extra guys to help get the slates upstairs . our client had arranged for 3 more guys to come along to help lift the slate upstairs and onto the pre leveled frame .
We then made good time in fitting the bed cloth on and also the cushions by 6pm
You may note that this Mawson table which is circa 1880 to 1895 has some very nice Mahogany figured wood veneer , especially the flat side and end frame parts , the center leg having a butterfly book matched veneer pattern each side of the leg matching like opening a book and getting the mirror image in reverse so to speak .
The veneer was very high class work of art , and the flame mahogany ran all around the frame work and into the ends .
The table had a few indications to it’s age , one is the top plates that have fingers of brass each side of the pocket leathers , these where faded out from 1895 and by the end of 1899 they had disappeared from most billiard tables fittings and the concealed fixed plates started to appear from 1895 .
On one cushion there was fixed a label that had a date of 1893, this maybe a re-rubber or modern rubber fitting label , as some rubber around that time was of different profiles , once a billiard firm had produced a better profile of rubber the other firms copied it , in these times of the 1890s they had thin layers of rubber cemented on top of each other much like laminating , the one piece L shape rubber became the norm around this time as the new modification to have and many tables had to have new blocks and rubber fitted to bring up to date . most tables where modified by late 1910 as the modern cushions where produced , this is why you see so many re-rubber names like the speedy reliable cushion or the arrowflite cushions as swift as an arrow . the firm i used to work for called there re-rubbered cushion the Empire Match cushion as can be seen from my photo of an old Elston & hopkin plate this is circa 1938 . But this paper 1893 label could be the Exact date the table was manufactured being just a couple of years before those top plates where discontinued by the majority of firms . and with a table number of 1275 this could be how many tables they had produced up to that date .
We stayed overnight at an Hotel ( The Park ) in Peebles and our client paid for our stay over with meals and left us £20 for a drink behind the bar ( very nice of him ) we then returned to our clients home to check the level again and yes it had sunk a very slight amount into the carpet on two legs . a quick re-level and another cup of coffee and we had a very satisfied client who was delighted with the Mawson billiard table and with our work to relocate it for him .
Snooker & Pool Table Recovers
Geoff Large, expert table fitter with 39 years of experience. All aspects of snooker, pool and 9 ball table recovers, repairs and maintenance.
My services include:
Recover of bed cloth and/or cushion cloth
Stretching of bed cloth
Re-rubbering of cushions
Fitting new pocket nets, leathers and rails
Refurbishment and re-polishing
Levelling of the table
Dismantling, moving, setting up, logistics and storage
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